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[Dev]

After reading several complaints on Dave's about foreigners being refused entry to bars and other businesses, I was just wondering if there's a government agency in Korea where foreigners can report businesses that discriminate against foreigners.

Really, the Korean government should do something to eliminate the discrimination that goes on in Korea against foreigners. It's ugly and gives foreigners a bad impression of this country.

Koreans in the United States and Canada know that discrimination is not tolerated in our countries and businesses can be punished for it.

[Alyallen]

Soon you can according to info in this thread

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=100147

[jaganath69]

Pfft, you'd really expect the law to do something for you here? At any rate, I believe legislating this kind of thing is counter-productive. It breeds contempt and doesn't do anything to address the underlying factors. Any business or organization that would discriminate against someone for their race/age/sex/medical condition is better off being called out and/or boycotted by private citizens or even ignored. Government solutions, as good intentioned as they are, seldom work, save to create two problems where there was originally only one.

[GoldMember]

Reporting Discrimination means doing something that you shouldn't do in Korean. COMPLAIN.
Lousy Dangerous Bus Drivers. Do Koreans Complain? NO
Rude pushing and shoving. Do Koreans Complain? NO
Incompetent police. Do Koreans Complain? NO

Complaining is against the Confusion er I mean Confusionist teaching these people have been brainwashed with. Complaining, unsettles "harmony".
What they call harmony, we call taking it up the rear.
That's why you'll find people here are passive, aggresive.

Koreans look upon us as behaving badly, when we complain, as we are unsettling the harmony, so they don't want to do anything. The people you complain to don't have the balls to stand up for their own rights, so they are definitely not going to stand up for yours.

[excitinghead]

I disagree that legislating against discrimination is counter-productive.

I was recently listening to someone on BBCWorld who was talking about recent legislation against discrimination based on sexuality or religion in the United Kingdom, and she was countering arguments that a landlord say, should be allowed to bar a gay couple from living in one of his or her apartments, because homosexuality was against his or her religion. I don't agree with that, but I admit that it sounds semi-plausible at first glance, just like fundamentalist Christian pharmacists in the US denying the day-after pill to customers. However, just like the woman said, no-one would think these days to make the same arguments against having black or South Asians tenets "precisely because of the anti-racial discrimination laws that were put in place 20 years ago."

Sure, the laws need to be enforced, not something that Koreans are well-known for, but it's a start.

[komerican]

[PRagic]

Koreans will individually and collectively put with a lot without publicly decrying their situation. Privately, however, we know that it's a different story. They feel much the same way about social slights and injustices, but their culture doens't promote airing these feelings. Yes, harmony is the key to getting by. Makes sense in a country 1/3 the size of Japan with a higher population density!

However, there is a breaking point. Koreans originated the term 'HwaPyung', the mental state describing a huge emotional blow up at the smallest transgression, largely the result of pent up anger and frustration.

Also, have you ever seen a corporate, labour, or civil movement? Once the damn breaks, then all hell lets loose. When things get so bad that the collective harmony is disrupted and cannot be maintained, then it hits the fan.

So Koreans probably wont' understand one or two people being peaved that they couldn't get into a club. So what! So the club didn't want you there. Many people are upset? Really? I don't see any large group sitting outside the club. I don't see any foreigners shaving their head over this issue. Can't be too bad, then!

And to the poster who suggested that legislation isn't necessary when dealing with discrimination: One word - wrong!

[normalcyispasse]

You could try, but not a damn thing would happen.

[PRagic]

Have you seen this thread? Directly related to the discussion here.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1347159#1347159

[Young FRANKenstein]

[GoldMember]

What Korea has today is not exactly a 'Democracy'.
For there to be a higher quality of Democracy requires what is known as a seperation of powers between the Judiciary, Law Enforcement and Government.
Long way to go yet, but getting better.

[Homer]

Legistlating this is a necessary step. It is not counter productive in my opinion either. It will lay down the rules clearly and give a reference to those people who do need something to lean on in order to take action against say a bar owner who refuses to let in people based on ethnicity....

The law would not fix the problem right away but it could send things in the right direction.

PRagic also makes a good point about Koreans and the public vs private attitude. A law might help those many Koreans feel on surer ground to speak their mind against these stupid practices....

[Real Reality]

[CheeseSandwich]

My reaction to this threads title.





HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA.

[Pak Yu Man]

Hel they should make it a law. Then we wil be safe to go where we want to free of discrimination cause the police will enforce that law.

Just like they enforce the traffic laws, prostution, corruption.......

I fell safe already.