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MarionG
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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 Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: Just gave notice... |
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I've been very happy at my hogwon...great director, wonderful kids, treated with respect, nice apartment etc. but there's one teacher who gives prolonged beatings to the kids with a 1 1/2 inch stick, bellowing at them at the top of his lungs, and clearly out of control.
I've tried to talk to the director, but she doesn't seem to have much to say about it. The adjacent school is her husband's math school, and he employes the hit-happy teacher.
My contract says either party can "annul" the contract with two months notice, so I gave her written notice today. I think she'll be cool about it, but I think her husband may try to play hardball.
I'm not too worried about being fired early or not getting an LOR because there are some violations at the school. But I have a violation of my own...at least I think I do.
In addition to the hogwon, I work part time at a university, arranged by my boss. The university SWEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAARS it's legal, but I don't know. My question to all of you is (without quitting at the university as that would leave them high and dry) how can I regularize my situation so that I'm in a position to play hardball if I have to? |
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boyne11
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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If you're happy with your school and the only problem you're having is one of the teacher beating on kids, just stick it out and finish your contract. Don't get involved in their cultural BS.
As for your extra job, you have no leg to stand on. Your boss or her husband can squeal on you to the immigration for working illegally. In that case, you'll be fined and deported on your expense. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Your situtation might look better than you think. Anyway, you only need to give a one-month notice. Contract has no bearing in this case. Why would you ever need to give 2 months? Even one month is too much, but sine we are in Korea and it's so hard for them to find a replacement, one month works.
One month. I read between the lines and can tell that you're working somewhere sh1tty. |
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MarionG
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Actually, I'm NOT working somewhere shitty...it's just the beatings of the kids. And as far as sticking it out goes, the problem is that I can't. I believe that to stay there would be to condone child abuse..it's absolutely immaterial that I'm in Korea and Koreans don't believe it's child abuse. The point is that I do believe it's child abuse. If I were in another country, or my own, I'd be able to do something concrete about it, but all I can do in this situation is remove myself.
I'm old enough to know that when you go against your own values, you never benefit from it.
And what I asked for is how can I regularize my situation>? The scare tactics (you're gonna be deported, you haven't a leg to stand on, etc.) are just that. What if the university is added at immigration now? I haven't been paid there yet. (Will be paid Friday.) |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
Your situtation might look better than you think. Anyway, you only need to give a one-month notice. Contract has no bearing in this case. Why would you ever need to give 2 months? Even one month is too much, but sine we are in Korea and it's so hard for them to find a replacement, one month works.
One month. I read between the lines and can tell that you're working somewhere sh1tty. |
There is no labor law that stipulates an employee shall/can give 30 days notice notice prior to resignation. On the other hand, labor laws do stipulate the employer must notify the employee 30 days prior to dismissal. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: Re: Just gave notice... |
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| MarionG wrote: |
| In addition to the hogwon, I work part time at a university, arranged by my boss. The university SWEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAARS it's legal, but I don't know. |
If the university is listed on the back of your ARC as a second location, you're legal. If it's not, you're not.
| garykasparov wrote: |
| There is no labor law that stipulates an employee shall/can give 30 days notice notice prior to resignation. On the other hand, labor laws do stipulate the employer must notify the employee 30 days prior to dismissal. |
Yes. Notice of termination is in the books, but notice of resignation is contractual only. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Just gave notice... |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
Yes. Notice of termination is in the books, but notice of resignation is contractual only. |
Would you care to explain the difference? |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Just gave notice... |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
Yes. Notice of termination is in the books, but notice of resignation is contractual only. |
Would you care to explain the difference? |
In the books = law of the country
Contractual = agreement between you and your employer. No labour law stipulation.
Although when under dispute, contracts come first... written law second. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| If you're happy with your school and the only problem you're having is one of the teacher beating on kids, just stick it out and finish your contract. [b]Don't get involved [/b]in their cultural BS. |
mmm hmmm ...you sound like a "progressive" European country.
The indifferene of good people, is the worst of all.
Do what YOU think is right, OP.
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Just gave notice... |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| Although when under dispute, contracts come first... written law second. |
But labor law supercedes contracts. (eg. contract says you get 2 paid holidays, labor law says you get 10... labor law supercedes contract, and you get 10).
Contract can give you MORE than what is provided for in labor laws (eg. 2 months of paid vacation, instead of the mandated 10 days), but they cannot give you LESS. |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Just gave notice... |
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| Although when under dispute, contracts come first... written law second |
Article 22 of the Korean Labor Standards Act States;
CHAPTER Ⅱ
Labor Contract
Article 22 (Labor Contract contrary to This Act)
(1) A labor contract which establishes conditions of employment which do not meet the standards provided for in this Act shall be null and void to that extent.
(2) Those conditions invalidated in accordance with the provisions of paragraph (1) shall be governed by the standards provided herein. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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wrong topic.
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:26 am Post subject: |
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And yes.........I admit........
1. It is about financial goals
2. It is about job satisfaction.
Granted, I wil never again subject myself to an insignificant Mr. Kim who knows jack crap on how to run an English school, how to treat his teachers, or things that Korea is the center of the universe.
Who was it that said "Korea has only won two battles in its entire history"?
Actually, I don't care about that crap anymore. I would not care about dating a Korean gal (overrated, if you ask me). I don't care about "
The Reds". I would not care about being kicked out of some no name, wanna be Korean nightclub because I am a foreigner. I would not care about Kimchi. I would not care about how Koreans have their heads up their asses about their opinion of the United States. As long as one is at a good school, making/saving good money........it is all gravy.
1. Financial goals.
2. Job satisfaction.
3. I realized I DON'T want to teach forever (ESL, anyway)
Granted, as I said.........Japan versus Korea.............a definate trade off of what one thinks is more imporant at the given time.
Cheers.
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