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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: Court Case: U.S. soldier on trial for assault |
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http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=49373
Soldier says friend not at fault for assault in South Korea
By Erik Slavin, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Wednesday, October 10, 2007
UIJEONGBU, South Korea � A soldier on trial for assaulting two South Koreans outside a Dongducheon bar was actually the victim, his �battle buddy� testified Monday in South Korean court.
On Monday, Pvt. Dustin T. Roper listened as the soldier with him during the April 25 incident, Pfc. Roy Anderson, described his version of what happened that night.
Roper has been the focus of anti-U.S. military protesters since being arrested next to a May 19 beauty shop blaze. Prosecutors did not charge him with arson but he is likely to face lesser charges.
In the alleged assault case, Anderson testified he and Roper walked into the JJ Bar in Dongducheon�s New Town, where they soon met two Korean women.
They sat down and ordered drinks for the women. Kim Yung-soon and another man named Baek, both of whom appeared to be in their 20s, arrived later and joined them.
Anderson said he ordered beer and soju for Kim and Baek. Roper only drank soda, Anderson testified.
They all got up to leave when a bar employee stopped Anderson and said the two women had ordered a meal before the soldiers walked in but hadn�t paid for it, Anderson testified.
Anderson didn�t have the money for their meals, so he went outside with the bar employee to find them.
�We heard screams from the stairs,� Anderson testified.
Roper claims he was pushed and rolled halfway down a staircase with the Koreans.
Anderson said that when he walked out the bar doors, he saw Kim and Baek holding Roper, who was curled up.
�I yelled real loud to stop,� Anderson said. �They didn�t pay me much attention � I ran over and grabbed Roper to pull him back and when I grabbed him, that�s when I was grabbed.�
Anderson said one of the Koreans ripped his shirt as he tried to get Roper out of the fight.
Roper and Anderson then ran to a nearby train station where they were intercepted by three South Korean police officers.
Kim and Baek weren�t far behind. Anderson said one of them ran up to him and punched him in the face in front of the police.
Nevertheless, Anderson said he offered the two Koreans an apology after being advised by a status of forces agreement liaison to do so.
Roper and Anderson both were treated for their injuries that night.
Anderson said he thinks the incident was the result of Kim and Baek seeing the soldiers with the women that they had come to the bar to meet.
�I think that was what the confrontation was about,� Anderson said.
The next trial session was scheduled for Oct. 17 at 2 p.m. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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It's common in Korea for the "most injured" to the "innocent." It sounds like the soldiers were the ones injured.
Where's your argument now, Korean legal system? |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Korean justice, what a joke. |
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Kimchi Cha Cha

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Chalk this one under Korean Male Inferiority Complex and Small Pen1s Syndrome�, boys. Move along, nothing to see here.  |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the deal in Korea.
It all comes down to false testimony. Koreans are notorious for providing false testimony.
Am I saying that westerners are more truthfull than Koreans. Actually NO.
Here is the major difference, if we lie (perjury), we get punished big time, like a long prison sentence. This is a huge disincentive to providing false testimony.
In Korea there is no disincentive as Judges here are too stupid to realise the consequences of perjury. They actually do have the power to punish perjury, but choose not to do so.
Think of it this way, in Stalinist Russia all it took was for some Communist Party Member to accuse you of being a traitor and you went straight to the Gulag.
Though not as extreme, there are similarities, all it takes is 2 Korean perjurers to accuse you of something and your history. Even if you do get off, NOTHING will happen to your accuser. For perjurers here in Korea, No downside, only Upside. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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GoldMember wrote: |
Here's the deal in Korea.
It all comes down to false testimony. Koreans are notorious for providing false testimony.
Am I saying that westerners are more truthfull than Koreans. Actually NO.
Here is the major difference, if we lie (perjury), we get punished big time, like a long prison sentence. This is a huge disincentive to providing false testimony.
In Korea there is no disincentive as Judges here are too stupid to realise the consequences of perjury. They actually do have the power to punish perjury, but choose not to do so.
Think of it this way, in Stalinist Russia all it took was for some Communist Party Member to accuse you of being a traitor and you went straight to the Gulag.
Though not as extreme, there are similarities, all it takes is 2 Korean perjurers to accuse you of something and your history. Even if you do get off, NOTHING will happen to your accuser. For perjurers here in Korea, No downside, only Upside. |
While true, the issue rests on the fact the the Americans had wounds, the Koreans didn't. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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GoldMember wrote: |
Here's the deal in Korea.
It all comes down to false testimony. Koreans are notorious for providing false testimony.
Am I saying that westerners are more truthfull than Koreans. Actually NO.
Here is the major difference, if we lie (perjury), we get punished big time, like a long prison sentence. This is a huge disincentive to providing false testimony.
In Korea there is no disincentive as Judges here are too stupid to realise the consequences of perjury. They actually do have the power to punish perjury, but choose not to do so.
Think of it this way, in Stalinist Russia all it took was for some Communist Party Member to accuse you of being a traitor and you went straight to the Gulag.
Though not as extreme, there are similarities, all it takes is 2 Korean perjurers to accuse you of something and your history. Even if you do get off, NOTHING will happen to your accuser. For perjurers here in Korea, No downside, only Upside. |
GoldMember wrote: |
Duh, I'm not a lawyer! |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Whether the soldiers are guilty or innocent of something, that's probably the story they'd tell. I wouldn't take a stance on that until I hear other people's accounts of what happened. |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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GoldMember wrote: |
Here's the deal in Korea.
It all comes down to false testimony. Koreans are notorious for providing false testimony.
Am I saying that westerners are more truthfull than Koreans. Actually NO.
Here is the major difference, if we lie (perjury), we get punished big time, like a long prison sentence. This is a huge disincentive to providing false testimony.
In Korea there is no disincentive as Judges here are too stupid to realise the consequences of perjury. They actually do have the power to punish perjury, but choose not to do so.
Think of it this way, in Stalinist Russia all it took was for some Communist Party Member to accuse you of being a traitor and you went straight to the Gulag.
Though not as extreme, there are similarities, all it takes is 2 Korean perjurers to accuse you of something and your history. Even if you do get off, NOTHING will happen to your accuser. For perjurers here in Korea, No downside, only Upside. |
And, in the states, all it took was a neighbour to say that you're a "communist" for you to have your entire life completely destroyed.
two way streets....two way streets.... |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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crazy_arcade wrote: |
And, in the states, all it took was a neighbour to say that you're a "communist" for you to have your entire life completely destroyed.
two way streets....two way streets.... |
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pluto7
Joined: 27 Sep 2007
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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GoldMember wrote: |
Here's the deal in Korea.
It all comes down to false testimony. Koreans are notorious for providing false testimony.
Am I saying that westerners are more truthfull than Koreans. Actually NO.
Here is the major difference, if we lie (perjury), we get punished big time, like a long prison sentence. This is a huge disincentive to providing false testimony.
In Korea there is no disincentive as Judges here are too stupid to realise the consequences of perjury. They actually do have the power to punish perjury, but choose not to do so. |
Why do you think like that? Any proof or stats?
Who said that there is no disincentive in providing false testimony in Korea?
Have you ever seen Korean cirmimal law or related precedents on perjury?
As far as judge's quality, i'm not in position to prove which one is better between Koreans judges and western ones.
But I would say that there is no stupid judege like Judge Roy Person in korea.
Regarding OP's case, it's not good to judge by just oneside contentions.
We need conterpart's testimony.
Actually,Roper was involved in other cases(He committed 5-6 crimes in just one day last spring.) Also, the "battle buddy" was involved in those case. Given this circumstance, I personally don;t want to buy his words. |
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