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Do you want the 2 koreas to reunite? |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: Do you want Reunification? |
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Do you see any advantages to you if reunification happens?
Personally, I'd be happy if the 2 stay separateso,
NO for 2 reasons:
1) It would increase the rampant nationalism and anti foreigner vibe here enormously
1) that they would concrete over the beautiful DMZ in weeks |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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-however, i think i would enjoy exploring NK and travelling freelly up there. |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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I voted yes because I am sick and tired of seeing my own taxes go to pay for my country's military presence in this stupid place. Presumably, unified Korea > no need for US military aid. I dont want to spend a single cent of my own country's money helping these nationalistic jokers out.
Best thing would be if the USFK left Korea the day after I left and then the North attacked the next hour... |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Why does the end of North Korea have to mean reunification? Why not just replace their government with a new one and keep the countries separate?
I would really like to get up there too. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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pest2 wrote: |
I voted yes because I am sick and tired of seeing my own taxes go to pay for my country's military presence in this stupid place. Presumably, unified Korea > no need for US military aid. I dont want to spend a single cent of my own country's money helping these nationalistic jokers out.
Best thing would be if the USFK left Korea the day after I left and then the North attacked the next hour... |
Are you serious? Even with a united Korea, the US isnt going anywhere. China is and has always been the reason why the US is here.
and you are a sicko. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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True....
The US and USFK has made it abundantly clear that they intend on staying on the peninsula EVEN after reunification.
Hell! Kim Jeong Il even said that the American military would be wlcome to stay on after reunification.
However, I do see some kind of friction occurring between Japan and a unified Korea after years of built-up hatred, so you might see the US having to choose between keeping and maintaining bases in Japan, which is astronomically expensive compared to the costs to keep bases in Korea, not to mention the direct proximity Korea offers the US military to its 2 major concerns- China and Russia
Another drawback is the possible ultra-nationalism that might engulf the nation after such a "historic event"
But I don't see the Koreas reuniting any time soon for 2 reasons:
1. The terribly high cost of reunification.
2. The massive migration of North Koreans heading south to look for work (at this stage, you might see the end of the Industrial Trainee program and of businesses shunning Korean-Chinese as the labor pool would be virtually saturated with low-cost, highly-skilled North Korean labor).
What I find silly is that the only people enthusiastically awaiting reunification are the South Korean men who hope to marry one of those "North Korean beauties" because many South Korean women are choosing to remain single so they can stay in the job market as long as possible.....pathetic! |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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pest2 wrote: |
I voted yes because I am sick and tired of seeing my own taxes go to pay for my country's military presence in this stupid place. |
The United States has more interest here than in merely defending the Republic of Korea. The peninsula is strategically located, after all.
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Presumably, unified Korea > no need for US military aid. |
Wrong. Even with a unified Korea, there would still be a need for military to be stationed here. As the other poster mentioned, China is the main threat to Korea. Additionally, this is a good place to conduct military training and it's even better to do so with another nation's military. Basically, it's a cheap way to learn how to operate in the field with a multi-national force.
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I dont want to spend a single cent of my own country's money helping these nationalistic jokers out. |
There are plenty of nationalistic jokers in the US also. I think I may've just found one US nationalistic joker here in Korea. Not only does the US military presence here help the ROK, it also has some benefits for the US.
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Best thing would be if the USFK left Korea the day after I left and then the North attacked the next hour... |
And you find this acceptable...because of what, exactly? |
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CeleryMan
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Enough already with this nonsense. The Korean Peninsula is merely water-cooler banter in the White House. No one cares, this includes Castro and Chavez. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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jinju wrote: |
pest2 wrote: |
Best thing would be if the USFK left Korea the day after I left and then the North attacked the next hour... |
and you are a sicko. |
Hell yeah. |
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LuckyNomad
Joined: 28 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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It won't be unification, it'll be absorbtion.
I don't think there will be a clear point at which the two countries become unified. It'll be gradual economic absorbtion by the South, similar to the way the Japanese took over Korea. First they build the trains and build the factories. Then they start buying the property, taking over the banks and the media. I'm guessing it'll be around 2040 or 2050 when Korea is Korea again. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
jinju wrote: |
pest2 wrote: |
Best thing would be if the USFK left Korea the day after I left and then the North attacked the next hour... |
and you are a sicko. |
Hell yeah. |
Not only that, hes a little cowardly *beep* too. Pest, why wouldnt you want the Norks to attack when you are here? So you could get your poopy diapers out safely? Ever see that movie where the kids cheat death when they get off the plane that crashes leter on? Death comes for them. Your poopy pampers would get the boot, dont you worry. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Japan has no pressing threat but the American military has many bases there. So a re-united Korea would, no doubt, still be attractive to America for military basing. One can argue whether or not those dollars are spent for Korea's defense or America's own self interest, today or tomorrow. But I would suggest a reunited Korea that now feels threatened by China without any kind of American trip wire would feel the need to implement a nuclear deterrent. That's not in the interest of America, certainly.
Seems to me America gets its money's worth.
Regarding the unification matter. There would be a certain guilty joy in seeing Korean hubris trying to explain why they went from a wealthy nation to slipping way way down in the rankings as they spend billions and billions trying to pull NK out of the slime hole it's built itself. NK males are going to be treated like country dogs, if they're lucky. NK females are going to flood south. SK females are going to be told "why would I ever marry you when I could have a traditional, docile NK woman?" The status of women is going to take a huge step back.
But then Korea has a way of changing on a huge dime and defying critics. |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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jinju wrote: |
RACETRAITOR wrote: |
jinju wrote: |
pest2 wrote: |
Best thing would be if the USFK left Korea the day after I left and then the North attacked the next hour... |
and you are a sicko. |
Hell yeah. |
Not only that, hes a little cowardly *beep* too. Pest, why wouldnt you want the Norks to attack when you are here? So you could get your poopy diapers out safely? Ever see that movie where the kids cheat death when they get off the plane that crashes leter on? Death comes for them. Your poopy pampers would get the boot, dont you worry. |
Oh, come on you nanny poo poo name calling babies. I am saying this:
1) I dont want my tax money being paid to support this country -- Even if that support comes as an unintended consequence. For example, I have some friends here who are in the army. My own government is paying some Korean landlords 2.5~3.5 million won each month to rent them apartments out on the town. Even if we (think) we need to keep troops in this part of the world to maintain global hegemony and/or a growing bipolar threat... I dont want MY money to pay for it. Insofar as geostrategic concerns go, if we really think it is necessary, we can put our forces in Okinawa and Japan for the same effect.
2) The total effect of the USFK is not that great. There are about 50-60,000 troops here but Korea has its own standing army of more than 10x that figure. The North Koreans have about 1 million troops. Our departure would affect them most gravely insofar as lost advisors and certain aspects of technology they cannot provide for themselves. But in terms of sheer manpower, the effect would not be signficant.
3) An invasion of the South by the North, were it ever to occur, would probably be the ONLY way they'd ever reunify. Negotiations have already been going on for so many years and with very very little headway made. Negotiatiors on both sides have proven themselves to be negotiating to decieve time and time again, even with the aid of foriegn mediators and interlocutors. I say cut to the chase. An invasion in and of itself does not imply any certain outcome... it just get the inevitable out of the way.
4) Koreans are highly social and heirarchical and their values conform quite nicely to the likes of socialism. The main reason the North has remained so poor is not that they are socialist,... but rather, it is the fact that they are closed and run by a rigid totalitarian communist government. The ideological underpinnings of communism still coincide much better with Koreans than, say, Russians or Chinese... If any country could succeed with communism, it would be Korea... especially if that communism came in the form of 'plans' ... the way China is currently doing it ie with massive free trade in certain zones to increase economic flow, first, and then social welfare spending later (presumably).
5) DUH I dont wanna be here when it happens. Its not my conflict, not my problem... and in the end, I could care less about what happens to Korea, after I leave, than I care about finding my hamster that escaped from its cage a few hours ago and is currently hiding somewhere in my apartment. |
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newton kabiddles
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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North Korea has high quality garlic, it's much better than Viagra.
The North Korean ladies are the most beautiful in the world - prettier than even South Korean ladies. Can you believe it? North Korean men are very small and not attractive, South Korean men are more handsome. When Korea unifies South Korean men can take a nice Korean wife from North Korea and we won't need anymore foreign brides, like Vietnamese or Filipino. Foreign brides have many problems with Korean men and it causes violence in the Korean family. So when we unify there will be more peace in the family. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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pest2 wrote: |
jinju wrote: |
RACETRAITOR wrote: |
jinju wrote: |
pest2 wrote: |
Best thing would be if the USFK left Korea the day after I left and then the North attacked the next hour... |
and you are a sicko. |
Hell yeah. |
Not only that, hes a little cowardly *beep* too. Pest, why wouldnt you want the Norks to attack when you are here? So you could get your poopy diapers out safely? Ever see that movie where the kids cheat death when they get off the plane that crashes leter on? Death comes for them. Your poopy pampers would get the boot, dont you worry. |
Oh, come on you nanny poo poo name calling babies. I am saying this:
1) I dont want my tax money being paid to support this country -- Even if that support comes as an unintended consequence. For example, I have some friends here who are in the army. My own government is paying some Korean landlords 2.5~3.5 million won each month to rent them apartments out on the town. Even if we (think) we need to keep troops in this part of the world to maintain global hegemony and/or a growing bipolar threat... I dont want MY money to pay for it. Insofar as geostrategic concerns go, if we really think it is necessary, we can put our forces in Okinawa and Japan for the same effect.
2) The total effect of the USFK is not that great. There are about 50-60,000 troops here but Korea has its own standing army of more than 10x that figure. The North Koreans have about 1 million troops. Our departure would affect them most gravely insofar as lost advisors and certain aspects of technology they cannot provide for themselves. But in terms of sheer manpower, the effect would not be signficant.
3) An invasion of the South by the North, were it ever to occur, would probably be the ONLY way they'd ever reunify. Negotiations have already been going on for so many years and with very very little headway made. Negotiatiors on both sides have proven themselves to be negotiating to decieve time and time again, even with the aid of foriegn mediators and interlocutors. I say cut to the chase. An invasion in and of itself does not imply any certain outcome... it just get the inevitable out of the way.
4) Koreans are highly social and heirarchical and their values conform quite nicely to the likes of socialism. The main reason the North has remained so poor is not that they are socialist,... but rather, it is the fact that they are closed and run by a rigid totalitarian communist government. The ideological underpinnings of communism still coincide much better with Koreans than, say, Russians or Chinese... If any country could succeed with communism, it would be Korea... especially if that communism came in the form of 'plans' ... the way China is currently doing it ie with massive free trade in certain zones to increase economic flow, first, and then social welfare spending later (presumably).
5) DUH I dont wanna be here when it happens. Its not my conflict, not my problem... and in the end, I could care less about what happens to Korea, after I leave, than I care about finding my hamster that escaped from its cage a few hours ago and is currently hiding somewhere in my apartment. |
Thats a thorough analysis. Too bad its by the same guy who wrote this amazing piece of totally wrong crap
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Presumably, unified Korea > no need for US military aid. |
P.S. if Korea got attacked wouldnt you atleast feel bad for a female you had a relationship with? OH WAIT, crap, what am I thinking..I bet you never even got laid in Korea. |
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