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ontheway
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 Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: How Interventionism leads to Blowback: an example ... |
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Interventionism makes people angry:
Some vote for change.
Some hide in a bottle, in front of a TV, or in a hole.
Some become raging lunatics.
Some become terrorists.
an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60gQW1KUPZw |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| As usual in the Arab world, everyone knew what was happening and no one said a thing. The British and American pilots flying the pointless southern "no-fly" zone � allegedly to protect Iraq's minorities � could clearly see the receding waters of the Marsh. The Arab regimes remained silent. Neither Mubarak nor Arafat nor Assad nor Fahd uttered the mildest word of criticism, any more than they did when the Kurds were gassed. |
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0519-02.htm |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| If "interventionism" makes "people" angry, why are people only angry at some -- really just one -- of those who intervene and meddle in others' internal affairs...? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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If "interventionism" makes "people" angry, why are people only angry at some -- really just one -- of those who intervene and meddle in others' internal affairs...?
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If your point is that people only get outraged about American intervention, I'm not sure if that's entirely true. The IRA wasn't setting off bombs in Washington, nor were the Algerian FLN. And even the people known as Al Qaeda have attacked non-American countries.
Now, if you're talking about self-righteous Canadian and European univeristy students, I agree their outrage tends to be somewhat selective. But I don't think that's the blowback that Ron Paul was referring to. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| No blow back for Bin Laden when Al Qaeda was killing muslims in Afghanistan. Northern alliance is what religion? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Syria. Russia, China, France, and Germany. Smaller cases like Brazil in French Guyana. The list goes on.
If "people" are so evenly-principled, where is the "blowback?" |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Syria. Russia, China, France, and Germany. Smaller cases like Brazil in French Guyana. The list goes on.
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Point of question: what is the meaning of these lists? Are these supposed to be countries that have intervenor countries, or countries that were intervened in?
In any case, I'm not sure how long(if at all) you were in Korea. But I don't think that it would be at all accurate to suggest that Koreans only get outraged about American interference in their affairs.
I'd imagine you could see similar protests in other countries, against other non-American intervenors. |
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Gopher
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Those are countries that have intervened in others' affairs in the last two decades or so -- some are doing so as we speak.
Japan was a century ago (more or less). And a high-profile empire, as well. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Syria. Russia, China, France, and Germany. Smaller cases like Brazil in French Guyana. The list goes on.
If "people" are so evenly-principled, where is the "blowback?" |
there have been terrorist attacks in russia as far as i know. As far as the others I'd need to know exactly what intervention you are talking about.
For the idea of blowback to be valid, it doesn't have to happen in every country that has outside intervention. I'm sure there are other factors as well. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Al-Qaeda camps 'trained 70,000'
Thousands are said to have joined al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan
Some 70,000 people received weapons training and religious instruction in al-Qaeda camps, German police say. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4146969.stm
This was while the US was protecting MUSLIM kurds from Saddam , and MUSLIMS in Kosovo from Slobidan. This was also while the US was trying to bring the Israeli and the Palestinian side together.
No one in the mideast ever got mad when Al Qaeda killed muslims in Afghanistan. Just like no one said a word when Hafaz Al Assad destroyed the city of Hama in 1982. Did the mideast street protest when Saddam gassed the Kurds? Nope.
The main cause of terror is that mideast regimes and elties teach hate and incite violence as a military tactic. |
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ontheway
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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Canada Soldier To Be Tried On Afghanistan Shooting
Fri Oct 12, 6:06 PM
VANCOUVER, British Columbia (Reuters) - A Canadian soldier will stand trial in military court for the shooting death of a fellow soldier in Afghanistan, the military said on Friday.
Master Cpl. Robbie Fraser is facing manslaughter and negligence charges in connection with the August 2006 death of Master Cpl. Jeffrey Walsh, who died of a gunshot wound while both men were on routine patrol near Kandahar.
The military filed the charges against Fraser last March, but the case had to be reviewed by military prosecutors before a decision was made on holding a court martial. A date for the trial has not been set.
It has been reported that Fraser's gun accidentally went off inside a cramped vehicle while it was traveling down a bumpy road. Fraser's family has argued he was being treated unfairly by the military over the incident.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/071012/n_top_news/news_afghanistan_col |
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