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elicia
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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 Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: adhd |
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| anyone know much about adhd in korea? i've heard that the international clinic in itaewon tests for it, but the cost is around 300 dollars. are there other psychiatrists around who can diagnose and prescribe? maybe around bundang? |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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ADHD is a myth and can be beaten out of any child (for 2-3 minutes).  |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| ADHD is a myth and can be beaten out of any child (for 2-3 minutes). |
Ha ha, I think this too. I see it as a mental behavior disorder that can be corrected with tough love more so than a physical medical condition to be treated with drugs. I think it has to do with disobedience, a lack of discipline, and a lack of instilled values of knowing right from wrong. Many kids are simply not paying attention and listening, because they choose not to and think the consequences of choosing to do so are not severe enough to warrant listening, obeying, and paying attention. They are right in the short term as they know you can't do nothing about it and if you did, this might send them home crying to mommy and daddy that they hate their teacher. Often, regardless of wherever you are that is too easy on kids like we are today, they have more vocabulary and skills than they lead you on to believe and then you are dealing with nerving behavioral problems when the kid is insulted over material being too easy.
I am for reasonable corporal punishment such as paddling, but only immediate and sparingly and never when the administrator is angry though I don't do it myself due it carrying legal risks. I scare them sometimes, but it takes a little more than raising your voice to really be effective I believe. A situation should never get to the point of a teacher or parent being angry at a kid for not paying attention and making stupid noises, because it should be corrected when first noticed. It's called tough love to swiftly correct bad behavior like ADHD and rewarding good behavior, but if you don't have the a measure effective enough to send a strong enough message of correcting bad or disobedient behavior such as choosing not to listen, then you got nothing, but an ADHD situation with a child. Often, today, we over reward in attempt to bribe a kid to pay attention and act right, but this only works for 5 minutes, not a lifetime. This is where the children really get left behind as they learn little, develop the mental skills of becoming civilized, and common sense skills for living as productive member of society when they reach young adulthood.
When I was growing up, only truly mentally challenged kids had an ADHD problem, not the majority, because we had a real discipline system in place. Adults didn't play around 20 to 30 years ago, they took raising and teaching kids very seriously. You gave them any lip or refuse to listen, then you got a intimidating warning and then a terrifying paddling that hurt. They scared me and it did me good since they taught me to pay attention and not to do things like steal.
Drugs such as Ritalin are not the answer to get kids to pay attention, discipline and teaching values are. |
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elicia
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: |
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actually i wasn't asking because of the kids at all...
i totally agree that adhd is kindof bullshit... however, my 20 year old sister just got "diagnosed" in the states and was given adderall... now, i know a lot of the reason that she doesn't focus is laziness, but since the adderall she's been 100 percent more productive... good grades, stable apt, job, etc.
so. i'm not on a crusade to pump adhd medication into korean kids... just satisfying personal curiosity... |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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elicia,
Unfortunately, ADHD is not yet accepted by Koreans as much as it is in the US. In my experience, I have taught many kids who obviously were suffering from ADHD, but yet nothing was being done to diagnose and deal with it.
Last year, I taught in a pubic school and I usually had a good idea who the disabled students were (mostly because I asked). There were a couple ADHD students (again based on information from my co-teacher) who were pretty bad. Almost everyweek there would be an issue with these students being disruptive.
I remember one time that a student in my class was being so bad that I took them to their homeroom teacher and let them deal with him. |
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soju pizza
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, no speed for you. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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ADD and ADHD are NOT myths BUT they do not need to be controlled with drugs! My brother is a gifted, gifted man who was in level 3 (highest level) special ed and remedial classes because he was so ADD/ADHD that teachers didn't know how to deal with him. And heaven forbid they consider that he might be smart as hell and BORED! (This is a kid who failed gym class yet scored in the 99% percentile on all of his standardized exams.)
He read a bunch of Thom Hartmann (Copy/paste functionality has been disabled during the survey.) with his hunter/farmer idea and started self-medicating with exercise instead of pot.
He joined the Marines AS A CHALLENGE and kicks ass at being a firefighter. (Marine of the quarter, etc.) He was a 19 year old high school drop out with tons of THC in his system when he decided to join the Marines. He scored so high on their SAT-like test that they wanted him to do intelligence, but he refused because he knew he couldn't sit at a desk all day.
My brother was definitely raised with discipline, but until HE figured out how to stroke the part of his brain that needed stroking (with a challenging job and a hell of a lot of physical activity), it was hell. For everyone.
OP, I really, really like Hartmann's books. I've read them to better understand my brother and my students. I strongly urge anyone interested in ADD/ADHD to read them.
(Oh, and yes, I do think many kids are misdiagnosed. I think the same with depression. Do I think depression is real? Yes. Do I think too many people are misdiagnosed? Yes.) |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| .... sweeping claims they do not exist. |
Yikes! How could anyone think they do not exist? Oh wait, enough people also think the world has been around for only a few thousand years. |
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