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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ece

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[stevemcgarrett]

Maybe so, but there is an undisputed, persistent achievement gap on standardized testing between Black and White American students which has been the subject of several scholarly studies, none of which has been able to conclusively identify the causes for this divide.

Probably the best single volume on this subject is (aptly named) The Black-White Test Score Gap.

Of course, intelligence manifests itself in many ways, as cognitive psychologist Howard Gardner has amply articulated, and environmental conditions can have a profound effect on learning behavior, as any educator knows.

On a related note: it was amusing to a perverse extent that the co-authors of the infamous The Bell Curve were both Jewish, and from the same ancestral sect. Not coincidentally, they identified members of their sect as having the highest average IQ of any ethnic/racial group in the world.

The best single and most articulate and stirring academic rebuttal to this genetic debate came from the late great Stephen Jay Gould in an afterword to his seminal work, The Mismeasure of Man.

[mindmetoo]

I was reading a bit more what he said. I think he's just like any 79 year old man. He's no William Shockley who was a eugenicist. From the headlines I cringed thinking he was another Shockley.

[Tony_Balony]

Tony .... I'm serious. Just shut up. Say nothing. move along. There is nothing here you want. For once in your life, just shut up.

[On the other hand]

[kingplaya4]

Let's face it, the only reason this guy is being jumped all over is because of political correctness.

No one on here seems to dispute the fact that Korean men and Western men have different cock size. I bet most would not disagree that black men are more athletic or at least have more fast twitch muscle fibers.

Now it doesn't necessarily follow that intelligence differs between races, but you have to admit it's a possibility. I think the evidence that's out there suggests there is. IQ's are very low in Africa, somewhat higher in African Americans, and higher still in Hispanic Americans. Asian Americans from East Asia tend to have slightly higher IQ's than white Americans. Incomes in the US follow these trends in IQ.

Even black children born to wealthy parents tend to underperform vs their peers. So, clearly it is not just an income or schoolsystem issue. Africa as a whole is clearly a mess, and I would doubt things will be any different hundreds of years from now. We should be seeing progress now 50 years after colonialism, yet with few exceptions, things continue to get worse. 1000 years from now, will our progeny still blame Africa's troubles on racism? I highly doubt it.

One thing people fail to understand is that a belief like mine is not necessarily racism. I don't look at a black man coming down the street and assume I am smarter than him simply because I am white. There are black geniuses, there are just more blacks on the lower end of the scale than there are whites. If I had my own business and had black applicants, I would judge them on what I saw in an interview, not dismiss them because they might have a lower IQ.

I would love to see evidence in the future that I was incorrect, but from what we have so far, it seems definite there is an IQ gap. And before everyone flames me, think if it is possible there is a 1 point gap in IQ between different races because of genetic reasons. If you agree that this is possible, than why not 10 or 15 points?

I'm not trying to reinstitute the KKK or get everyone to hate black people, but I fail to see what we gain from constantly avoiding what at least appears to be reality.

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[Cheonmunka]

Where I come from test results differ between Island, Maori and Pakeha (white) in part due to expectations. I have met some really dumb white people, and perhaps the dumbest of any person I've ever met was a white sharemilker's son.
But then, the expectations on him were low. Make him GWB's son and I bet he would have gone to Harvard.

[justagirl]

According to those "in the know" from public school system in the U.S., it's not ethnicity that is causing low IQ's or low school performance; it's poverty. If you can find it, you should take a look at the best book I read in grad school. It's by Ruby Payne and is called, "Understanding Poverty." It not only talks about poverty being an issue, but how different social classes view education and what they value as a whole. VERY informative and thought-provoking.

[Tony_Balony]

We won't have a good discussion here. Whats allowed ? A graph from the UK that says White people are lazy and stupid, another anecdotal report about the dumbest people we have ever met or endured are White. It looks like we can call White people stupid, but doing so for anyone esle gets you a jail sentence. Its just PC.

Poverty causes dumbness? Nyet.

Personally I hate the UK for exterminating its White people. Thanks *ssholes. I can't think think of a more racist place on the planet, except for Africa home of the last three of humanities genocides and numerous other ethnic purges.

Are Africans people dumb? They sure act that way. Eating Pygmy *beep* for magical sexual powers isn't smart nor is having sex with a baby to cure AIDS. I jsut can't make a tidy graph with that.

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[The Perfect Cup of Coffee]

[Tony_Balony]