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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:22 am Post subject: |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:28 am Post subject: |
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When Koreans ask me why I'm happy, I reply with much alacrity "Why, I'm not Korean!"
In other words, I can leave all this rat race nonsense (with my happy Korean wife in tow) any day of the week, thank you very much Mr. American passport, and return only for visits and to oversee my inchoate Gimchi/Ramen/Soju smuggling operations. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:24 am Post subject: |
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How can korean kids feel like they belong when they have to attend classes all day long. Go to school, attend classes. Get out of school go to this hogwan. Get out of this hogwan and go to that hogwan. Get out of that hogwan and go to the other hogwan. And so on and so forth.
Also the pressure for them to fit in (what ever in is in) is very intense. Much more so than back home i would imagine. what it takes for the kids to differentiate themselves from others is probably very small. I feel sorry for these kids. They have a tough life. |
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:46 am Post subject: |
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ulsanchris wrote: |
I feel sorry for these kids. They have a tough life.
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For sure. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans are miserable! |
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rapier wrote: |
I think a lot of people are missing the point...We only have one short life. Stop being stressed and sad! Look on the bright side! Lets all do our best for the kids and eachother, and enjoy the little things in life with this short time we have on earth!
Thank God for the happy kids! |
It's funny you should say something like this and yet complain incessantly about a place you seem to hate but haven't left. Perhaps you might follow your own advice and look on the bright side for a change about Korea. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Here's something to help you through your day:
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad,
Other things just make you swear and curse,
When you're chewing your life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle,
And this'll help things turn out for the best,
And.....
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistling]
Always look on the light side of life.
[whistling]
If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle. That's the thing.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistling]
Always look on the right side of life,
[whistling]
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word.
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin.
Give the audience a grin.
Enjoy it. It's your last chance, anyhow.
So,...
Always look on the bright side of death,
[whistling]
Just before you draw your terminal breath.
[whistling]
Life's a piece of shit,
When you look at it.
Life's a laugh and death's a joke. It's true.
You'll see it's all a show.
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistling]
Always look on the right side of life.
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Cheers |
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Joe Thanks

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Dudleyville
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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May I crucify you now?
Cheers.
Joe
some waygug-in wrote: |
Here's something to help you through your day:
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad,
Other things just make you swear and curse,
When you're chewing your life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle,
And this'll help things turn out for the best,
And.....
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistling]
Always look on the light side of life.
[whistling]
If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle. That's the thing.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistling]
Always look on the right side of life,
[whistling]
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word.
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin.
Give the audience a grin.
Enjoy it. It's your last chance, anyhow.
So,...
Always look on the bright side of death,
[whistling]
Just before you draw your terminal breath.
[whistling]
Life's a piece of *beep*,
When you look at it.
Life's a laugh and death's a joke. It's true.
You'll see it's all a show.
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistling]
Always look on the right side of life.
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Always look on the bright side of life!
[whistling]
Cheers |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Rapier,
I understand what you mean. They don't all seem so happy. But I have to agree with yaya. I don't notice many posters with as much griping as you have put on this board, although I gripe a good bit myself. Maybe you are happier in real life? There must be something about Korean society that makes them look glum a lot. I mean they rarely smile except perhaps among close friends, and they are pretty exclusive among themselves. If I couldn't be friends with someone because he was a year older or younger that might bother me! Or if because he went to a better UNiversity, or I had a better job, or whatever. They are very exclusive and to me it seems sad. |
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Drakoi

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Location: The World
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:09 am Post subject: |
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urge to kill...rising...
Rapier, and les moderales, I'm not going to say that you're a stupid, no good, overgeneralizing waste of space, but I am going to say that this topic is. Please qualify your complaints or take your venting elsewhere.
I might as well ask why Americans are so afraid of everything? Black men on the streets, germs in the air, arabs...WHY OH WHY? Is michael moore right? Is our culture of fear programmed from the protestant persecution?
From my experience there are two world's to Corean life, the outside public life, and the family and friends life, and you have obviously never been exposed to the latter.
The Coreans I know who have allowed me into their inner circles are bombastically joyful, playful, and, in general, merry. Yes, when we get on the subway we generally tone it down a notch. But it amazes me to no end how close and affectionate they can be with the shopkeepers/merchants that they go to on a regular basis.
My dad owned a restaurant back in the states, and while he was friendly and cordgial with all his costumers, especially the regs, it was nothing close to the comradarie they express here.
Your post doesn't reflect reality, it shows a sad perspective (yours) and a lack of understanding (yours).
And what's more, Corean traditions/religions emphasize enjoying the here n' now. Unlike western x-tianity that focuses on your 'afterlife'.
Why are westerners so silly about sinning? Get out and have premarital sex for crying out loud! And when you're married it's okay to get the occasional BJ from the staff intern!  |
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leeroy12
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Drakoi - a confusing reply, as it contradicts so much of what I understand to be true. Unless, of course, you are being sarcastic...
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And what's more, Corean traditions/religions emphasize enjoying the here n' now. Unlike western x-tianity that focuses on your 'afterlife'. |
My Korean student told me the complete opposite yesterday. Westerners, it seems, live (irresponsibly) for the moment - like "marrying for love", for example. Koreans, on the other hand, are far more sensible in planning for the future (like "marrying for money"). Those were her examples, not mine.
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Why are westerners so silly about sinning? Get out and have premarital sex for crying out loud! |
Most cultures "go out and have premarital sex", the difference with my interpretation of western culture is that we are far more honest about it. Are you implying that Koreans have more pre-marital sex (and far more happily) than westerners?
I presume that there is a point to spelling Korea "Corea" - please enlighten me  |
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Joe Thanks

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Dudleyville
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'd add that this thread is not a waste of space but pointing that you think it is - IS a waste of space.
Furthermore, I'd like to add that it is KOREA in English, NOT COREA and that you give into the Korena governments (North and South) INSANE, ASSENINE, COMPLETELY FALSE belief that Korea was given a "K" in English tansliteration under Japanese influence because "K" comes after "J" and Japan is really "Nippon" and thus comes after "K" or "C".
That makes you and ASSCLOWN.
So, if you're going to start dishing out the cricket paddle of justice then be a man and bend over for us first and set the example. Once you've had your hiding the rest of us will line up - as FAIR is FAIR.
Cheers,
Joe
Drakoi wrote: |
urge to kill...rising...
Rapier, and les moderales, I'm not going to say that you're a stupid, no good, overgeneralizing waste of space, but I am going to say that this topic is. Please qualify your complaints or take your venting elsewhere.
I might as well ask why Americans are so afraid of everything? Black men on the streets, germs in the air, arabs...WHY OH WHY? Is michael moore right? Is our culture of fear programmed from the protestant persecution?
From my experience there are two world's to Corean life, the outside public life, and the family and friends life, and you have obviously never been exposed to the latter.
The Coreans I know who have allowed me into their inner circles are bombastically joyful, playful, and, in general, merry. Yes, when we get on the subway we generally tone it down a notch. But it amazes me to no end how close and affectionate they can be with the shopkeepers/merchants that they go to on a regular basis.
My dad owned a restaurant back in the states, and while he was friendly and cordgial with all his costumers, especially the regs, it was nothing close to the comradarie they express here.
Your post doesn't reflect reality, it shows a sad perspective (yours) and a lack of understanding (yours).
And what's more, Corean traditions/religions emphasize enjoying the here n' now. Unlike western x-tianity that focuses on your 'afterlife'.
Why are westerners so silly about sinning? Get out and have premarital sex for crying out loud! And when you're married it's okay to get the occasional BJ from the staff intern!  |
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Joe Thanks

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Dudleyville
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Drakoi wrote: |
urge to kill...rising...
From my experience there are two world's to Corean life, the outside public life, and the family and friends life, and you have obviously never been exposed to the latter.
The Coreans I know who have allowed me into their inner circles are bombastically joyful, playful, and, in general, merry. Yes, when we get on the subway we generally tone it down a notch. But it amazes me to no end how close and affectionate they can be with the shopkeepers/merchants that they go to on a regular basis.
And what's more, Corean traditions/religions emphasize enjoying the here n' now. Unlike western x-tianity that focuses on your 'afterlife'.
Why are westerners so silly about sinning? Get out and have premarital sex for crying out loud! And when you're married it's okay to get the occasional BJ from the staff intern!  |
You're goddamned RIGHT it is OKAY since it's none of your goddamned business. It had NOTHING to do with how the country was run and says more about your closeted neocon bull-shite leanings than anything that you dig it up. HOW ABOUT BUSH AND THE GULF WAR - completely illegal, insane nd wil lset America back ino the dark ages.
At least Clinton won the useless popular vote as well as the electoral colelge. Bush won by silent coup.
KOREA
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK, and GET IT RIGHT unless your'e French or Italian.
I would argue that Koreans are hardcore.
Work hard (though never efficiently)
Play hard (by their own tandards)
Live hard
Die hard
They love to party and they love to cry. Partyanimal crybabies.
I accept it, but these folks have a right to their misconceptions, ESPECIALLY since they use K for KOREA when writing in ENGLISH.
Joe |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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While it's fun to jump someone's bones for using "Corea", it's not like Drakoi is pressing anyone else to use it. Let's focus on the actual points made.
I stand by my statement that Seoul is not Korea. So many foreigners are in Seoul, and I'm quite happy to have had a totally different(albeit boring) experience in Cheonana. I've seen happy people. You guys up in Seoul haven't.
If you think Koreans look angry, that's great. And if I've got to disprove your hypothesis, I'll take you into a kalbi shop and let you see just how glum and pissy everyone is. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
While it's fun to jump someone's bones for using "Corea". . . |
It's fun to jump someone's bones in general, but I'm not sure that's what you meant. It might be just Newfie English, (if so, sorry!) but doesn't that phrase mean sex? |
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Joe Thanks

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Dudleyville
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
While it's fun to jump someone's bones for using "Corea", it's not like Drakoi is pressing anyone else to use it. Let's focus on the actual points made.
I stand by my statement that Seoul is not Korea. So many foreigners are in Seoul, and I'm quite happy to have had a totally different(albeit boring) experience in Cheonana. I've seen happy people. You guys up in Seoul haven't.
If you think Koreans look angry, that's great. And if I've got to disprove your hypothesis, I'll take you into a kalbi shop and let you see just how glum and pissy everyone is. |
Good point on segment one.
I agree with the rest. Seoul is a joke.
My heart belongs to Daegu (big old Joe cried when he heard about the subway massacre because some of my greatest SK experiences were there - and I didn't even live there: Korean friends did and still do).
In pedestrian terms I think it can be said SK is BIPOLAR, or in more mature terms: melodramatic. It is a country that actually embodies the yin and yang. You will meat the most vile excuse of human life there and the most saintly people on earth there. They will cry and complain like banshees but also party and laugh heartier than a drunken pirate having scored precious booty.
I think one can find as many bastions of upbeat life as miserable folks - but in Seoul, me thinks ALL are miserable. I loathed my time there.
Cheers,
Joe |
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