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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| when you do away with habeas corpus, and it barely registers as a story in the news, while Paris Hilton is on every channel, then the jig is up. Welcome to a police state everyone. |
Even with the Patriot act the US is one of the most free and tolerant nations in the world.
It is funny you are in South Korea who has a national security law far more harsh than the Patriot act. |
wow. America is reduced to comparing itself with the likes of South Korea. Way to go. Jefferson is rolling over in his grave. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| when you do away with habeas corpus, and it barely registers as a story in the news, while Paris Hilton is on every channel, then the jig is up. Welcome to a police state everyone. |
Even with the Patriot act the US is one of the most free and tolerant nations in the world. |
Prove it. Only one of the ten amendments in the Bill of Rights still exists. The US government can spy on and imprison any American they wish with no right to counsel, trial or even being charged, just by the President saying, Gosh, looks like a terrorist to me! While many governments may do this in practice, how many have it written into their basic legal code?
Not many.
You are a fool if you think the US is a "free" country as long as the Patriot Act, MCA and FISA laws exist in their present forms. It's right there in black and white. Now show us the laws on the books of "most" other countries that make them less free than the US. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
Prove it. Only one of the ten amendments in the Bill of Rights still exists. The US government can spy on and imprison any American they wish with no right to counsel, trial or even being charged, just by the President saying, Gosh, looks like a terrorist to me! While many governments may do this in practice, how many have it written into their basic legal code?
Not many.
You are a fool if you think the US is a "free" country as long as the Patriot Act, MCA and FISA laws exist in their present forms. It's right there in black and white. Now show us the laws on the books of "most" other countries that make them less free than the US. |
FISA is abhorrent enough, what with authorizing secret courts and has essentially rubber-stamped every wiretapping request the administration has sought, but then, in stooping to new depths, Bush/Cheney and Co. sought to not even have to submit to it!
Watch just how Cheney has put the finishing touches on the total fascist takeover of the US, in which the acts of Congress are now considered merely "advisory," accomplished through Bush's unprecedented "signing statements" in this excellent PBS documentary:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/view/main.html |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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Or just read the news.
Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps
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News Analysis/Commentary, Peter Dale Scott,
New America Media, Feb 08, 2006
Editor's Note: A little-known $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build detention facilities for "an emergency influx of immigrants" is another step down the Bush administration's road toward martial law, the writer says.
BERKELEY, Calif.--A Halliburton subsidiary has just received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities."
kbrThe contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when.
To date, some newspapers have worried that open-ended provisions in the contract could lead to cost overruns, such as have occurred with KBR in Iraq. A Homeland Security spokesperson has responded that this is a "contingency contract" and that conceivably no centers might be built. But almost no paper so far has discussed the possibility that detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.
For those who follow covert government operations abroad and at home, the contract evoked ominous memories of Oliver North's controversial Rex-84 "readiness exercise" in 1984. This called for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to round up and detain 400,000 imaginary "refugees," in the context of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States. North's activities raised civil liberties concerns in both Congress and the Justice Department. The concerns persist.
"Almost certainly this is preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters," says Daniel Ellsberg, a former military analyst who in 1971 released the Pentagon Papers, the U.S. military's account of its activities in Vietnam. "They've already done this on a smaller scale, with the 'special registration' detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo."
Plans for detention facilities or camps have a long history, going back to fears in the 1970s of a national uprising by black militants. As Alonzo Chardy reported in the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987, an executive order for continuity of government (COG) had been drafted in 1982 by FEMA head Louis Giuffrida. The order called for "suspension of the Constitution" and "declaration of martial law." The martial law portions of the plan were outlined in a memo by Giuffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff.
In 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 188, one of a series of directives that authorized continued planning for COG by a private parallel government.
Two books, James Mann's "Rise of the Vulcans" and James Bamford's "A Pretext for War," have revealed that in the 1980s this parallel structure, operating outside normal government channels, included the then-head of G. D. Searle and Co., Donald Rumsfeld, and then-Congressman from Wyoming Dick Cheney. |
But it's all just coincidence...
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After 9/11, new martial law plans began to surface similar to those of FEMA in the 1980s. In January 2002 the Pentagon submitted a proposal for deploying troops on American streets. One month later John Brinkerhoff, the author of the 1982 FEMA memo, published an article arguing for the legality of using U.S. troops for purposes of domestic security.
Then in April 2002, Defense Dept. officials implemented a plan for domestic U.S. military operations by creating a new U.S. Northern Command (CINC-NORTHCOM) for the continental United States. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called this "the most sweeping set of changes since the unified command system was set up in 1946."
The NORTHCOM commander, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced, is responsible for "homeland defense and also serves as head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD).... He will command U.S. forces that operate within the United States in support of civil authorities. The command will provide civil support not only in response to attacks, but for natural disasters."
John Brinkerhoff later commented on PBS that, "The United States itself is now for the first time since the War of 1812 a theater of war. That means that we should apply, in my view, the same kind of command structure in the United States that we apply in other theaters of war."
Then in response to Hurricane Katrina in Sept. 2005, according to the Washington Post, White House senior adviser Karl Rove told the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, that she should explore legal options to impose martial law "or as close as we can get." The White House tried vigorously, but ultimately failed, to compel Gov. Blanco to yield control of the state National Guard.
Also in September, NORTHCOM conducted its highly classified Granite Shadow exercise in Washington. As William Arkin reported in the Washington Post, "Granite Shadow is yet another new Top Secret and compartmented operation related to the military's extra-legal powers regarding weapons of mass destruction. It allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control."
It is clear that the Bush administration is thinking seriously about martial law.
Many critics have alleged that FEMA's spectacular failure to respond to Katrina followed from a deliberate White House policy: of paring back FEMA, and instead strengthening the military for responses to disasters.
A multimillion program for detention facilities will greatly increase NORTHCOM's ability to respond to any domestic disorders. |
Just ignore that presidential order 51 placing the president above both the judicial and legislative branches in any state of emergency... |
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