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wings



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Public School extra classes Reply with quote

I am going to start teaching extra classes in the near future at my Public School in Seoul. The kids pay for these classes. I was told today that my salary will be based on how many students attend (which is ok actually since a lot of kids want to take the classes). After agreeing to the salary they told me that 5% will be deducted to pay for the GAS and ELECTRICITY used while I'm teaching. WTF?

It works out to about 27,000 for each 50 minute class. Which I am fine with. But I feel like paying for gas and electricity is very strange.

Has anyone else had this expense deducted from their pay for extra classes???? Also how much are people generally making for extra classes when the children are paying to attend?

Thanks,
Wings
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

um...what? Never had that happen.

I don't make much. The after school kids only pay once for the whole semester. The other kids are "free" extra classes I get paid for somehow. So I make 800,000 won per semester from the classes. I have no idea how good or bad that is compared to other teachers.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them you use food energy while teaching and you'll need to add an extra 20% to pay for that. For pay 30,000 to 40,000 sounds good--and not connected to enrollment.
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marlow--hell yeah that sounds good. 100k sounds good too, but from what I've seen most afterschool classes pay 20-30k per class. Never heard of paying for anything--seems they should be paying for everything...Confused

I did an afterschool class where they tried to pull this on me. They said I'd get a base pay of 5k won plus 1k won per student, up to 25k won per class. I told them that regardless of the number of students coming to class, I still have to be there. They changed their tune the same day and paid me 25k per class (contract stated 20k). Good thing too because several students who had signed up never bothered to show.

Don't do it if pay is connected to student attendance. Just. Say. No.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are in a public school? Your overtime should be set in the contract. Base overtime is 20,000 won in most, though some teachers make more depending upon the school.

Refer to the contract for your wages, and you should not be charged for utilities, that's a croc. But, if you will make more money after you pay utilities b/c you are getting a higher wage, then ok, roll with it.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: Public School extra classes Reply with quote

wings wrote:
I am going to start teaching extra classes in the near future at my Public School in Seoul. The kids pay for these classes. I was told today that my salary will be based on how many students attend (which is ok actually since a lot of kids want to take the classes). After agreeing to the salary they told me that 5% will be deducted to pay for the GAS and ELECTRICITY used while I'm teaching. WTF?

It works out to about 27,000 for each 50 minute class. Which I am fine with. But I feel like paying for gas and electricity is very strange.

Has anyone else had this expense deducted from their pay for extra classes???? Also how much are people generally making for extra classes when the children are paying to attend?

Thanks,
Wings


You're a sucker if you do it.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jizzo T. Clown wrote:
I did an afterschool class where they tried to pull this on me. They said I'd get a base pay of 5k won plus 1k won per student, up to 25k won per class. I told them that regardless of the number of students coming to class, I still have to be there. They changed their tune the same day and paid me 25k per class (contract stated 20k). Good thing too because several students who had signed up never bothered to show.

Don't do it if pay is connected to student attendance. Just. Say. No.


yup, i learned that the hard way. my school didn't tell me this when i asked about the pay and then they took significant deductions out... i called them on it (and in fact, the school board too). no resolution.
the moral of the story is to get them to sign a paper saying how much u will get paid for the set of extra classes and the day that the funds must be deposited in yr account.
it might seem a bit much, but it's better to cover all yr bases
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nobbyken



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject: Re: Public School extra classes Reply with quote

wings wrote:
GAS and ELECTRICITY used while I'm teaching.


Where does the gas get used? Is it a cooking class? Shocked
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Scouse Mouse



Joined: 07 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The GEPIK contract says that you get 20K/hour, and that up to 6 hours o/t per week are mandatory. If you are on that contract you are getting a good deal.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Public School extra classes Reply with quote

wings wrote:
I am going to start teaching extra classes in the near future at my Public School in Seoul. The kids pay for these classes. I was told today that my salary will be based on how many students attend (which is ok actually since a lot of kids want to take the classes). After agreeing to the salary they told me that 5% will be deducted to pay for the GAS and ELECTRICITY used while I'm teaching. WTF?

It works out to about 27,000 for each 50 minute class. Which I am fine with. But I feel like paying for gas and electricity is very strange.

Has anyone else had this expense deducted from their pay for extra classes???? Also how much are people generally making for extra classes when the children are paying to attend?

Thanks,
Wings


You need to 'edumacate' your school. I got paid 800,000 for my first term afterschool classes in a Seoul public school (roughly 40,000 tax free per 40 min class).

I was also offered 30,000 won per after-school hour by another school in the same district - but turned it down because friends were being paid 50,000 won per hour in the Excellent English After School Program.

Paying for utilities - WTF! They'll be asking you to pay for photocopying next. Tell them to take a hike.
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marlow



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Public School extra classes Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:

You need to 'edumacate' your school. I got paid 800,000 for my first term afterschool classes in a Seoul public school (roughly 40,000 tax free per 40 min class).


They will negotiate. This is good advice.
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wings



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way it was explained to me, and I was shown it in a big book of regulations, is that for extra classes that students pay for, they contract doesn't apply. Instead the principal, parents commity and Native Speaker teacher have to agree on the terms. If you teach extra classes that are part of regular school curiculum, then the pay is 20,000 per 40 minute class.

I am actually making more than 20,000, but I am the first ever native speaker they have had, so my coteacher always asks me if this is the same as in other schools. I don't really like the way that it has happend, and I think this 5% deduction is weird, and will make it harder for me to understand what my actually salary is. I will be paid not by attendance, but by the number of kids who signed up, which is already fixed. But I plan to tell them that for next semester things will be different.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wings wrote:
The way it was explained to me, and I was shown it in a big book of regulations, is that for extra classes that students pay for, they contract doesn't apply. Instead the principal, parents commity and Native Speaker teacher have to agree on the terms. If you teach extra classes that are part of regular school curiculum, then the pay is 20,000 per 40 minute class.

I am actually making more than 20,000, but I am the first ever native speaker they have had, so my coteacher always asks me if this is the same as in other schools. I don't really like the way that it has happend, and I think this 5% deduction is weird, and will make it harder for me to understand what my actually salary is. I will be paid not by attendance, but by the number of kids who signed up, which is already fixed. But I plan to tell them that for next semester things will be different.


The contract DOES apply to any overtime, including after school and extra classes. You bosses need to call the higher-ups to verify that.

But you are getting more than 20,000....good, like I said, you may benefit by not complaining.

Yet if you aren't happy, refuse to teach after school. Teachers should never be paying for utilities, ever.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:

But you are getting more than 20,000....good, like I said, you may benefit by not complaining.


You can benefit even more by complaining. You can get 30,000+ no problem as long as you negotiate properly.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marlow wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:

But you are getting more than 20,000....good, like I said, you may benefit by not complaining.


You can benefit even more by complaining. You can get 30,000+ no problem as long as you negotiate properly.


Very true. I was thinking about the fact that the contract says overtime is 20,000 and if he goes by the contract, so might the school and pay him less.
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