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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Am interested. I think we should carve a niche and take (back) what belongs to us.
I was blocked for so long to start the business that I had my sights on because of the damned E2 visa. Even though I had two Korean born children I had to work for a hakwon just to be able to have the right to live with my family.
In the meantime the economy boomed, along with English.
I would very much like to slice up the cakes of those who made a success for themselves, maybe the future will show largely in part, that their success was on the backs of the foreigners who were not able to compete with them.
I'm free anytime to meet. |
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shaunew
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Sounds like a great idea. PM with the meeting place. I have always thought about us foreigners taking back what is ours. |
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robot
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Great. Sounds like we'd need a decent-sized venue, preferably something private.
Col.Brandon -- could you look into your potential spot and get back to us?
As for a time, I second a late Sunday morning. I work Saturdays, and I suspect many others do as well. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| No, it's a qualification. Maybe it shouldn't be, but it is totally treated that way. |
Unfortunately this is true. It is perceived as a qualification and banked upon by some when really the only 'merit' here is being married to a local.....it should just be a visa status change. It is too often considered a qualification.
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| There is a lot of potential for such a group in many other areas of life in Korea, too. Let's make a time to get together and suss something out. We shouldn't fanny around, though - it has to be professional and well-organized. |
Very interesting and there is indeed potential there. To tap that potential will require hard work and patience before it really pays off.
I can only cite my example as a consultant. When I started off a few years back, it took a long time to get steady contracts and to establish credibility in the Korean business world. It takes a lot of work, professionalism and dedication to flourish in such a market.
A group of F-visa teachers will require the same professionalism and dedication. If such a group intends on asking for a higher wage per hour for example, they better be damn prepared to provide qualifications and services commensurate with their demands. Otherwise, what will happen will simply be a demand for more cash that will not go over very well with the business sector....they will not really pay you more over the long term just because you band together.
Why?
Because there will always be people with F-visas who will underbid you. To outclass those people you need to offer better services and higher qualifications in your teachers...in short, show them that they will benefit from paying more for a superior product.
If you fail to meet this basic criteria, you will have a hard time getting anything meaningful accomplished....
Just my two cents here.... |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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I think the principle is that the charge is less, not more, than companies presently pay agents - who pass on 50% of those earnings to the teacher. In theory Jinu's proposal seems to do away with, or much reduce, that type of commission earning practice.
Putting this in perspective: When I did a bit of company work the employees presumed I was earning 100k per hour. I wonder if this was based on their knowledge of the fee their company paid the agent.
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fence sitter
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Because there will always be people with F-visas who will underbid you. To outclass those people you need to offer better services and higher qualifications in your teachers...in short, show them that they will benefit from paying more for a superior product. |
What you really meant to say was that there will always be noob F visa holders who don't know about our little party, who will jump on the first corporate teaching offer that comes their way via a recruiter.
By the way, I never charge less than 50,000 for private students. Why would you only ask 60 from corporations? They're rolling in the dough. My chingus were making 100 an hour (albeit working early mornings) even 4, 5 years ago!! And that was under-the-table, E-2 stuff. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| Food for thought ... |
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Col.Brandon
Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| OK I'll check out my venue and get back to y'all. I'm OK for a Sunday morning for the next 2 weeks, or if I can't make it one of my colleagues will. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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My idea isnt that we charge more, its that we charge LESS.
If you go through a recruiter, lets say Pagoda, what do you think they charge? Its pretty clsoe to 100,000 an hour. Then you get 35,000 or 40,000 of that. My idea is that we charge 70-80% of what recruiters charge, but the teacher keeps it all. |
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purple_buddha
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Robot,
I sent you a pm; definitely intrigued about banding together. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| If you go through a recruiter, lets say Pagoda, what do you think they charge? Its pretty clsoe to 100,000 an hour. Then you get 35,000 or 40,000 of that. My idea is that we charge 70-80% of what recruiters charge, but the teacher keeps it all. |
But like somebody said before, why accept low wages from corporations with deep pockets? If corporations are willing to shell out W100,000, why would you take less than that?
If you sell a Rolls-Royce, you don't let it go for VW prices, what?
I understand your logic if you're merely talking about undercutting recruiters in the beginning, but once you've cut out the middleman altogether (which will never altogether happen), market rates should apply. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| mack the knife wrote: |
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| If you go through a recruiter, lets say Pagoda, what do you think they charge? Its pretty clsoe to 100,000 an hour. Then you get 35,000 or 40,000 of that. My idea is that we charge 70-80% of what recruiters charge, but the teacher keeps it all. |
But like somebody said before, why accept low wages from corporations with deep pockets? If corporations are willing to shell out W100,000, why would you take 70% less than that?
If you sell a Rolls-Royce, you don't let it go for VW prices, what? |
Its just a first proposal. It might be 90,000. The idea is that we undercut them to gain an advantage. Also, a VW is NOT 70% of a Rolls Royce. You can get a VW for under 20 grand. Try getting a Roll for under 200 grand. We are just selling a Rols for the price of a Bentley. Working for 35% of what companies pay, as happens when working for recruiters, we are actually selling a Rolls for the price of a VW. Its a better deal for everyone. Except the recruiters. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
My idea isnt that we charge more, its that we charge LESS.
If you go through a recruiter, lets say Pagoda, what do you think they charge? Its pretty clsoe to 100,000 an hour. Then you get 35,000 or 40,000 of that. My idea is that we charge 70-80% of what recruiters charge, but the teacher keeps it all. |
I think most of us understood where you were coming from.
I doubt any but the most resourceful of F-visas are getting company jobs without recruiters. And I don't think jinju was talking about cutting them out. Though there is always the threat of the middle men slashing their prices. Assuming we had an impact on their business. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| then we need to earn how to be more resourceful. How do we contact companies and cut out the recruiters? It cant be that hard. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| How do we contact companies and cut out the recruiters? |
Urrr... solicitation? Korean speakers obviously a must. |
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