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HELP! Midnight run - a viable option?
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greenthaicurry



Joined: 24 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: HELP! Midnight run - a viable option? Reply with quote

First time on here and desperately need some advice as regards leaving Korea.

It will sound daft and wimpish I'm sure to say that I am considering the above having only been here a short while.

Basically, I came here on a whim, mainly for the money and the idea of a rent-free existence. I was weighing up a teaching opportunity closer to home in Europe, but the money was awful and it seemed I would be defeating the object.

I am well travelled worldwide and have previously visited 7 other Asian countries other than Korea and have a genuine feel for the continent.

However, I now realise that all is not what it was cracked up to be. My living conditions are not satisfactory (far from it) and the main school I am teaching in (for there are two) is hellish. I am the sole foreigner and there is only one bilingual Korean teacher who is willing to help when asked.

She tells me that the previous foreign English teacher left after 3 months and that none of the Korean staff liked him at all (I imagine they weren't backward in coming forward when letting him know this). A few things I have seen suggest things are't what they seem and I get the feeling I'm getting a bit of a follow on and it doesn't bode well.

Whatsmore (and somewhat typically) another opportunity has arisen at home which might well be worth a punt. A massive U-turn it would be, but i already know that Korea is definitely not for me, and although it may sound like the rant of a quitter, I am not one to hang around for the sake of it.

Naturally, should I decide to leave at this early stage, this could doubtless bring about problems.

To even try and explain my reasons to those in charge could make things a hell of a lot worse for me and I don't know what to do should I up and leave.

The decent and honourable thing to do would be for me to verbally agree to terminate my contract and for me to re-imburse them the cost of the flight - which is not a problem. It is not a money issue at all.

That said, I am the distrusting type I suppose (and feel like I have good reason here) and am just keen to leave the country first and foremost and then start feeling guilty (and re-imbursing them for for my flight.

However.......logistically / legally speaking, can I be stopped by anyone at the airport should I leave unnanounced to the school?

Does the E2 visa tie me in legally and will this be seized upon by airport officials?

Is a 'midnight run' even a realistic option? I know it should be the last option and not the first, but the only thing keeping me going right now is the thought of leaving Korea.

I'm curious to cover any angle and would hugely appreciate any help whatsoever with these issues. I must stress that on the face of it, the school has not breached their contract. My worry is if my honesty comes back to haunt me and life becomes more difficult as a result.

Korean food by the way....not a patch on any other Asian country i think. Real shame that.

Thanks heaps for any help

D[/b]
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Sincinnatislink



Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Location: Top secret.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you'd like to stay in Korea you can do it.
Be a bad employee, get fired.
Talk with a mess of recruiters, take the job that sounds least-shitty. You came here on a tourist visa without a job, if they even ask.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you grow the f@ck up talk to your employers like an adult and say that you can't work there anymore.

Give them there's months notice and reimberse them for their flight.



Christ, even the fact that you're even thining about cutting and fleeing shows me the maturity or lack of maturity you have as a person. People like you who come over here with little or no planning make me sick.
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stevie rotten



Joined: 31 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is no ball and chain around your ankle. you always have the right to get up and leave.
if you do leave just bring your E2 to the airport. when passing through korean immigration just say "E2 finished" and the officer will take it off your hands and it's done.
understand that you may not be able to return and get a new work visa for several years but other than that there really are no repercussions.

giving notice would be the most honorable (and often regrettable) thing you can do. grabbing the money and leaving (paying reimbursements from outside of korea) insures you will actually get paid for your last month. you can best judge your situation for yourself.




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bejarano-korea



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you a wimp?

If you don't like it, leave. It's your life! Why spend the next 11 months doing something you hate?

You don't owe anyone anything apart from your family.

I spent 10 months studying dillegently about how to not end up in a mess out here, I would have never come here on a 'whim' and thankfully am working at a great school with a great director and staff.

I think your quality of life out here is 80% how well the school treats you, if you don't get the support from the school then I can see how life here can be hard.

Get the hell out of there, and next time study your options a bit more carefully.
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zeppelin



Joined: 08 Jan 2005

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
Why don't you grow the f@ck up talk to your employers like an adult and say that you can't work there anymore.

Give them there's months notice and reimberse them for their flight.



Christ, even the fact that you're even thining about cutting and fleeing shows me the maturity or lack of maturity you have as a person. People like you who come over here with little or no planning make me sick.


That's more than a tad harsh and undeserved. Sure, giving notice may be the most honourable thing to do but what with the horror stories that have appeared on this very board it may not be the sensible thing to do. Directors in the past have felt that an employee leaving early is being disloyal and have made their last month hell, then cheated on the final payment. Although highly unlikely, furious directors have attempted to stop people leaving Korea through falsely calling the police to allege theft.

There is nothing wrong or illegal in you leaving the country before a contract is completed. You may leave the country anytime you wish to do so provided you have a valid passport and surrender your ARC.

If doing a runner is what you've decided to do - and yes it may make getting another work visa for Korea difficult in the future - then make sure it sticks. Make sure you are in the air before anyone knows about it - just to be on the safe side.

Move on and try something else.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zeppelin wrote:
endo wrote:
Why don't you grow the f@ck up talk to your employers like an adult and say that you can't work there anymore.

Give them there's months notice and reimberse them for their flight.



Christ, even the fact that you're even thining about cutting and fleeing shows me the maturity or lack of maturity you have as a person. People like you who come over here with little or no planning make me sick.


That's more than a tad harsh and undeserved. Sure, giving notice may be the most honourable thing to do but what with the horror stories that have appeared on this very board it may not be the sensible thing to do. Directors in the past have felt that an employee leaving early is being disloyal and have made their last month hell, then cheated on the final payment. Although highly unlikely, furious directors have attempted to stop people leaving Korea through falsely calling the police to allege theft.

There is nothing wrong or illegal in you leaving the country before a contract is completed. You may leave the country anytime you wish to do so provided you have a valid passport and surrender your ARC.

If doing a runner is what you've decided to do - and yes it may make getting another work visa for Korea difficult in the future - then make sure it sticks. Make sure you are in the air before anyone knows about it - just to be on the safe side.

Move on and try something else.



No it could of actually been a lot more harsh.

First off the OP admitted she came here with little planning. And now she's complaining about her situation.

I researched for about 7 months before comming over here. You look at bejarano-korea, another poster on this thread, and he also researched for several months.

This should be the norm for ELS teachers comming over to Korean, but unfortunately I think it may be not.


The only things the OP was complaining about was her housing and her being the only foreigner at her school.

Those are two things the OP should of been prepared if she decided to properly reseach before comming over.


But the OP didn't and now he/she is considering leaving the school with out any notice.

Leaving the administration and her students without a teacher. And also making the school foot te bill for flying him/her over in the first place.




Plus he/she's not working at some crap Hagwon, but a public school so it's not like her boss will pull some of the same tastics you described in you post.


If the OP makes the decision that I think he/she is leaning towards he/she's not only a failure and a thief, but he/she also makes the rest of us teachers over here look bad and unprofessional.

I don't give a $hit if the system over here has it's various problems. We as teachers should be a lot more professional. And that includes not pulling off juvemnile stunts like fleeing the country when the situation (as it has been presented in this thread) doesn't warrant it.
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bejarano-korea



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No it could of actually been a lot more harsh.

First off the OP admitted she came here with little planning. And now she's complaining about her situation.

I researched for about 7 months before comming over here. You look at bejarano-korea, another poster on this thread, and he also researched for several months.

This should be the norm for ELS teachers comming over to Korean, but unfortunately I think it may be not.


The only things the OP was complaining about was her housing and her being the only foreigner at her school.

Those are two things the OP should of been prepared if she decided to properly reseach before comming over.


But the OP didn't and now he/she is considering leaving the school with out any notice.

Leaving the administration and her students without a teacher. And also making the school foot te bill for flying him/her over in the first place.




Plus he/she's not working at some crap Hagwon, but a public school so it's not like her boss will pull some of the same tastics you described in you post.


If the OP makes the decision that I think he/she is leaning towards he/she's not only a failure and a thief, but he/she also makes the rest of us teachers over here look bad and unprofessional.

I don't give a $hit if the system over here has it's various problems. We as teachers should be a lot more professional. And that includes not pulling off juvemnile stunts like fleeing the country when the situation (as it has been presented in this thread) doesn't warrant it.


I'm of two minds Endo, my first thought is that we all should have the
freedom to leave a situation we no longer want to remain in, that the schools are a business concern and that they should have the fleeting mindsets of teachers, especially those who are young and 'wet behind the ears' as a changeable factor.

Just like a factory who hires people to work 12 hour nights, I have done this and have seen when the new guy/girl says halfway through a shift 'oh sod this I'm off' I don't think about the company, I think that the worker in question has the right to leave if they cannot handle it.

But, I think more people should study where they are going a little bit better. I wasn't arsed about bright lights and Gunters pub in Iteawon so now I'm happy being in Changwon. I think going anywhere on a whim can only lead to problems, if this has taught the OP a lesson about preparing themselves about living in a different culture then it can only be a good thing for them in the long run.

PS: Oh yeah Endo, you were right about the women! hahahaha! Very Happy
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ldh2222



Joined: 12 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, if you say it doesn't come down to money, why don't you work out the compromise, reimburse the money, and leave?
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greenthaicurry



Joined: 24 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your help and responses (all of them).

Perhaps I could have made that post sound a little less desperate in hindsight.

Like I said, I'm just trying to cover every angle - and although this scenario would be a last option, it is an option nevertheless.

Thanks again.

D
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:

Plus he/she's not working at some crap Hagwon, but a public school so it's not like her boss will pull some of the same tastics you described in you post.


How do you know the OP is a he/she or is working at a Public school?

The OP never mentioned it...

and its the first and ONLY post the OP has ever paid....

If the accomodation is so bad - the OP could ask the school for better accomodation..

The only clue I got was "back home closer to Europe" so I am guessing the OP is from the UK...

It seems the real reason for wanting to do a midnight run - is "culture shock" or a better job offer from back home... - maybe the parents miss their baby and want the OP back home?
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're thinking too much. Nothing can happen. If you don't care about the money then you have nothing to worry about. If they truly treat you like *beep* and your apartment is really crappy and unbearable then by all means do a runner, if you like.

But I don't see any reason to be paranoid about giving notice.
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're an adult you can do what you like. I wouldn't see leaving the country to "go on vacation" as a problem as far as getting out of the contract which you signed.

I do believe in karma, and stiffing someone who spent lots of time and money to get you over here (not to mention the innocent students, who will have a negative opinion of foreigners if you do this) will come back to bite you on the ass. And it perpetuates the backpacker / alcoholic foreigner stereotype.

Be an adult and own up to your responsibilities. Running away from problems solves nothing, but confronting them makes you stronger (and more mature). By this I mean put in your notice and "tough it out." Chalk it up to not doing your homework.

When you blame others, you give up your power to change. ~Author Unknown

and

I believe that every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty. ~John D. Rockefeller Jr.
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Tjames426



Joined: 06 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:05 am    Post subject: >>> Reply with quote

Last time I went through airport immigration this happened.

The immigration offcier looked at my ARC card. It was good for another 7 months. However, the officer noticed no return visa in my passport. My E-2 visa had not been cancelled.

He wanted me to explain. The truth was ... I was departing Korea for 3 days of glorious vacation, then returning to Korea and job.

The officer pulled me out and put me in a back office to wait. He looked up my status on the computer - immigration files. He let me purchase a return visa. Everything turned out fine. I had plenty of time to catch my plane.

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Later I thought the Korean immigration might be strengthening laws to capture runners.
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skeeterses



Joined: 25 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GreeenHai, I would highly recommend that you DON'T do the midnight run option. You should talk to your recruiter first and other ESL teachers in your neighborhood. And you might actually want to talk to your director about the problems that you're having in Korea to see if he/she could work out a compromise with you.

It's true that you may not ESL teaching. But as others point out, suddenly running from your job could hurt you down the road. I don't know about Europe but I know from experience that employers in America do not like to hire workers with spotty employment records. Having too many blemish's on your Resume could result in your employment opportunities being reduced to working at Walmart or joining the Army. Also, being able to live and teach in Asia is a once in a lifetime opportunity that may not come up again. You may not like the teaching job, but there's a lot of hidden treasures to see throughout Korea and other parts of Asia. If you stick it out and get that teaching experience, as well as learn to speak the Korean language, that will help you down the road personally and in your next job.
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