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Bramble

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: National treasures need homes
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| All I meant to imply with this is that people should try to be a little more open minded. A consensus of opinion doesn't necessarily prove something is true. |
The author chose an exceptionally poor example to make that point. You usually seem like a critical thinker, SW, and I'm surprised you'd buy into a piece of garbage like that. |
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cbclark4

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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
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Now when the debate is: Tomato fruit or vegetable?
That's all fun and games.
However when they through in a Carrot the audience gets lost. |
A tomato is scientifically a fruit. It is also both a fruit and vegetable. Vegetables are only a cullinary category. Its a cullinary concept only, not a scientific one. Scientifically a tomato has seeds and is therefore a fruit. |
That doesn't explain the Carrot. |
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ED209
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| cbclark4 wrote: |
Now when the debate is: Tomato fruit or vegetable?
That's all fun and games.
However when they through in a Carrot the audience gets lost. |
A tomato is scientifically a fruit. It is also both a fruit and vegetable. Vegetables are only a cullinary category. Its a cullinary concept only, not a scientific one. Scientifically a tomato has seeds and is therefore a fruit. |
That doesn't explain the Carrot. |
I'm lost. |
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cbclark4

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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Circa. 1970s
The Carrot is used to make a certain Preserve (Jam, Jelly).
It was introduce in France and sold as a Preserve.
The definition of "Preserve" by the French FDA equivilent included the
word fruit, preserves are made from fruit or some such.
In order for this product to continue to be marketed as a preserve a law
maker in France introduced legislation which defined the carrot as a fruit.
The legislation passed and it become law and to this day the carrot is a
fruit in France.
Thusly a reason some may have a cynical view of Concensus and Majority rule and Direct Democracy.
Now I don't have a link or a documented record, I am relying totally on my memory and it was the 70s. |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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My memory was little off.
I found this:
"In the commercial world, European Union rules define
carrot as a fruit for the purposes of measuring the proportion
of "fruit" contained in carrot jam."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit
My apologies to France. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| That was before Reagan declared ketchup a vegetable so he could screw over the kids on welfare. God, that man had a heart. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
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| but i know nothing. i am no expert. who can i trust now? |
the voices in your head |
are you smarter than me? |
which of the multiple yous? |
As any high school debater knows, once your opponent resorts to attacking you instead of your arguments, you have won the debate. |
If his nonsense seems odd, there's likely a good reason.
JIN-JOO-JU is one of Dave's heroic resident PSY-OPS TROLLS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psyops |
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sera
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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yall remember way back when watermelon was debated as a fruit or veggie?  |
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Bramble

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: National treasures need homes
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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To get back to the topic, here's some info on the author's main source:
Gary Taubes |
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