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Coffeeprincess
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 Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:56 am Post subject: Dialect coaching |
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I'm not a professional dialect coach but I've been asked to help someone with their dialect specifically with regards to pronounciation and enunciation. I will be working with this person over the next couple of weeks and doing some truly intensive training as this person has very little time before he needs to improve his English.
Those of you who have helped Koreans with their dialect, what are some problem areas that you've encountered? Any advice?
Thanks so much. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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I'm not an expert either but this might be interesting for reference:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=njCXU8TxyFQ
It's a guy that has a lot of YouTube videos of him doing different accents. It's not perfect but it might be an interesting starting point. |
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Tony_Balony
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Where's he headed?
If he hasn't much time,I'd just stick with movies and tv.Make a test for him to pick the meaning,give him some pronunciation work,slang and vocab lists.
Survival English basically(meant for getting around but also to avoid angering the local wildlife) |
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Tony_Balony
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
I'm trying to offer this program at our school.
http://americanaccent.com/
If your student wants to be a guinea pig, let me know.
T |
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ernie
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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i'd say make sure they observe the vowel(group) : syllable ratio... adding an extra -uh to the end of words makes it really difficult to understand, especially the word 'is'... when they say "It is-uh beautiful", i hear "is a" so i'm waiting for a noun to complete the sentence - "It's a beautiful WHAT?!"
this konglish habit makes their english really hard to understand, especially if you don't live in korea... |
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Coffeeprincess
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
Where's he headed?
If he hasn't much time,I'd just stick with movies and tv.Make a test for him to pick the meaning,give him some pronunciation work,slang and vocab lists.
Survival English basically(meant for getting around but also to avoid angering the local wildlife) |
He knows the vocabulary...he just has to memorize some lines for a role and speak them as if he were a native American speaker. He has a pretty thick Korean accent...so I guess I really will just have to help him with his pronounciation and enunciation. Kinda like accent elimination? |
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Coffeeprincess
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
i'd say make sure they observe the vowel(group) : syllable ratio... adding an extra -uh to the end of words makes it really difficult to understand, especially the word 'is'... when they say "It is-uh beautiful", i hear "is a" so i'm waiting for a noun to complete the sentence - "It's a beautiful WHAT?!"
this konglish habit makes their english really hard to understand, especially if you don't live in korea... |
Yeah, I already told him that he needs to stop putting the "uh" at the end of all his words.
For example:
My name is David = Mah ee...neh eem uh...eez uh...Day ee beed uh. |
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Coffeeprincess
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
Hi,
I'm trying to offer this program at our school.
http://americanaccent.com/
If your student wants to be a guinea pig, let me know.
T |
Thanks, but he doesn't have the time to enroll in a program right now. We have two weeks to try to eliminate his accent as much as possible. Mission Impossible? |
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kat2
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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How long is the speaking part? By role, I assume you mean in some kind of play/movie. If it's short, then you could try asking him to forget about the actual words and just memorize the phonetic syllables (thats how actors in movies who have to speak in a second language do it. they obviously don't have time to get fluent in russian/spanish/chinese/etc). That's the only way I could see you possibly training him to say the lines correctly in taht short of time.
A lot of Koreans don't relize their accent is unintelligble to a normal american (someone not used to konglish) b/c every english teacher they've ever had has the same accent. How many of our coteachers say "ijuh" instead of "is." (most people over about 20 have never had a foreign english teacher). |
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mj roach
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Coffeeprincess - Even though you don't have that much time...
for 'homework' have him listen to Voice of America (VOA) online
'special English' programs and 'parrot' as he listens. It will help 'open' his
ears and 'model' changes for his speaking.
<<www.voanews.com/specialenglish>> |
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Coffeeprincess
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| kat2 wrote: |
How long is the speaking part? By role, I assume you mean in some kind of play/movie. If it's short, then you could try asking him to forget about the actual words and just memorize the phonetic syllables (thats how actors in movies who have to speak in a second language do it. they obviously don't have time to get fluent in russian/spanish/chinese/etc). That's the only way I could see you possibly training him to say the lines correctly in taht short of time.
A lot of Koreans don't relize their accent is unintelligble to a normal american (someone not used to konglish) b/c every english teacher they've ever had has the same accent. How many of our coteachers say "ijuh" instead of "is." (most people over about 20 have never had a foreign english teacher). |
kat2, he has about 15 pages of lines. He understands English and can speak it, it's just that he has a very heavy Korean accent...there's actually no need for him to learn the words phonetically cuz he knows what he's saying when he speaks. Also, he doesn't have to actually memorize the lines cuz he'll be reading them. Any other suggestions? |
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Coffeeprincess
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| mj roach wrote: |
Coffeeprincess - Even though you don't have that much time...
for 'homework' have him listen to Voice of America (VOA) online
'special English' programs and 'parrot' as he listens. It will help 'open' his
ears and 'model' changes for his speaking.
<<www.voanews.com/specialenglish>> |
Thanks a lot, I will check it out. |
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Coffeeprincess
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Coffeeprincess wrote: |
| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
Where's he headed?
If he hasn't much time,I'd just stick with movies and tv.Make a test for him to pick the meaning,give him some pronunciation work,slang and vocab lists.
Survival English basically(meant for getting around but also to avoid angering the local wildlife) |
He knows the vocabulary...he just has to memorize some lines for a role and speak them as if he were a native American speaker. He has a pretty thick Korean accent...so I guess I really will just have to help him with his pronounciation and enunciation. Kinda like accent elimination? |
CORRECTION: I just found out that he doesn't have to speak like a native American speaker because the role calls for a Korean guy who speaks English with an accent. Sorry for the confusion. 
But the problem still remains...his accent is so heavy that his words are almost inaudible to a native speaker. So we need to work on his enunciation more than anything else, I guess. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Hi - he needs accent training. If he had accent training, it didn't take. You have no other options. I have the materials and they are even availble in Korean. 15 lessons, one or two a day.
"dialect" = accent + local colloquials. He has a script, no adlibing. The can even send him to LA if they want. They will drill him there.
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