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igotthisguitar
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 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: Angry Italians Urge Expulsion Of Immigrants |
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Italians Urge Expulsion Of Immigrants
By FRANCES D'EMILIO, Associated Press Writer
Sun Nov 4, 5:56 PM ET
ROME - Opposition leader Silvio Berlusconi urged Italy to close its borders to Romanian workers and a conservative ally called Sunday for the expulsion of tens of thousands of immigrants amid public outrage over a wave of violent crimes blamed on foreigners.
Pope Benedict XVI added his voice to the debate over the balance between citizen safety and treatment of foreigners, reminding authorities that immigrants have both obligations and rights.
The pope weighed in as lawmakers prepared to debate the government's response to recent crime, including fast-track expulsions of Romanians and other EU citizens deemed dangerous and bulldozing shantytowns housing immigrants.
"In Rome alone, 20,000 expulsions should be carried out right away," right-wing leader Gianfranco Fini, a key Berlusconi ally, said on a TV talk show Sunday.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071104/ap_on_re_eu/italy_immigrants_tension
Italian naval officer Giovanni Gumiero (top L) follows the coffin of his wife Giovanna Reggiani, who was killed in an attack, during her funeral in Rome November 3, 2007.
Italy's centre-left government, long accused by critics of being soft on immigration, has pushed through a decree allowing police to expel European Union citizens believed to be a danger to society.
The decree was signed by Italy's president on November 1, 2007 and followed a spate of violent crimes, many blamed on immigrants from new EU member Romania -- including an attack on a naval officer's wife whose plight has gripped Italians. |
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Juregen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| They nurtured these criminals themselves. |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| They nurtured these criminals themselves. |
NO.. once romania joined the EU they came in droves!!!
Italy has always been a target for illegals! its the gateway to europe..
i agree though get rid of them all!! |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Why the rush to judgement?
Minorities have been scapegoated in the past.
Maybe HITLER was right in targeting those murdering, thieving gypsies, huh?
Are they as a group really REALLY repsonsible for this recent wave of violent crime?
The world wants to know. What exactly has been "proven".
Are a entire people to be condemned, perhaps even for crimes they have NOT even committed?
How is this just?
Historically these reptilian misdeeds have largely been the MAFIA's exclusive thing, professionally organized crime families 
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Ah yes, the voice of the idiotic European left. Immigrants can never be blamed for their own transgressions, that would be racist, or xenophobic, or Islamophobic, or whatever other tired matra the idiots of the PC left are chanting that particular week.
How exactly did Italy 'nurture' these Romanian gypsies? I suppose that because they were not given jobs, free accomodation and a 5 course Italian banquet, they can claim themselves to be an 'oppressed minority'. This man, who robbed and then violently murdered a middle aged woman, was 'nurtured' by the Italians was he? |
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jinju
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess the Romaniajs are just following the lead of the Italians. Ever been to Italy? Its a crime bonanza. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| i find it a little ironic that a country laments foreign criminals while allowing the mafia to operate with basically a free hand. It's like Japan complaining about foreign drug dealers when it's the Yakuza that is resposnible for setting up all the trafficing. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| They nurtured these criminals themselves |
Ah yes, the voice of the idiotic European left. Immigrants can never be blamed for their own transgressions, that would be racist, or xenophobic, or Islamophobic, or whatever other tired matra the idiots of the PC left are chanting that particular week. |
The only thing true about your first statement is that I am European. The rest is just your assumption.
Immigrants are people looking for a better future somewhere else, and yes i do acknowledge that they contain the same percentage of criminals as any population has.
Second, due to passive racism in Europe, immigrants have a hard time getting a job, therefore they are not only socially but also economically excluded.
Don't forget that I lived in Europe, a lot of my friends and family are passive racists, and that I know quite a lot of immigrants. Therefore my arguments are based on what I know.
If a man is not allowed to properly provide food and shelter (and a sense of worth), he will acquire it thru other means. The criminal world in Italy has recruited a vast amount of immigrants into their ranks, and used them to do the dirty work.
Therefore my statement, Italy has nurtured it's own criminals.
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How exactly did Italy 'nurture' these Romanian gypsies? I suppose that because they were not given jobs, free accomodation and a 5 course Italian banquet, they can claim themselves to be an 'oppressed minority'. This man, who robbed and then violently murdered a middle aged woman, was 'nurtured' by the Italians was he? |
it is not about "giving" jobs, its about giving at least the opportunity to find one. People who find a job will take care of their own accommodations, the same with food.
I stay with my opinion that a vast amount of the crimes done by immigrants are "nurtured" due to passive racism and the political unwillingness to actually find a solution to the problem.
I believe in a fundamental right that a man (woman) can make choices to improve his life. If that means moving to another country, let him do so. I do not believe in borders or nationalities.
They are institutionalized and kept for convenience sake.
That said; no, I am sorry, I don't have a better solution to this problem. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
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| They nurtured these criminals themselves |
Ah yes, the voice of the idiotic European left. Immigrants can never be blamed for their own transgressions, that would be racist, or xenophobic, or Islamophobic, or whatever other tired matra the idiots of the PC left are chanting that particular week. |
The only thing true about your first statement is that I am European. The rest is just your assumption.
Immigrants are people looking for a better future somewhere else, and yes i do acknowledge that they contain the same percentage of criminals as any population has.
Second, due to passive racism in Europe, immigrants have a hard time getting a job, therefore they are not only socially but also economically excluded.
Don't forget that I lived in Europe, a lot of my friends and family are passive racists, and that I know quite a lot of immigrants. Therefore my arguments are based on what I know.
If a man is not allowed to properly provide food and shelter (and a sense of worth), he will acquire it thru other means. The criminal world in Italy has recruited a vast amount of immigrants into their ranks, and used them to do the dirty work.
Therefore my statement, Italy has nurtured it's own criminals.
| bigverne wrote: |
How exactly did Italy 'nurture' these Romanian gypsies? I suppose that because they were not given jobs, free accomodation and a 5 course Italian banquet, they can claim themselves to be an 'oppressed minority'. This man, who robbed and then violently murdered a middle aged woman, was 'nurtured' by the Italians was he? |
it is not about "giving" jobs, its about giving at least the opportunity to find one. People who find a job will take care of their own accommodations, the same with food.
I stay with my opinion that a vast amount of the crimes done by immigrants are "nurtured" due to passive racism and the political unwillingness to actually find a solution to the problem.
I believe in a fundamental right that a man (woman) can make choices to improve his life. If that means moving to another country, let him do so. I do not believe in borders or nationalities.
They are institutionalized and kept for convenience sake.
That said; no, I am sorry, I don | | | |
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