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Do you give money/change to Korean beggers or the homeless
Yes
55%
 55%  [ 22 ]
No
45%
 45%  [ 18 ]
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Lockness



Joined: 03 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Random Kindness or self important ego boost Reply with quote

I quite often give money to beggars and homeless people, just change or a couple of chunons. I've never seen Koreans doing this and I have witnessed some waykoks spreading the wealth. That reminds me of a funny story:
I had just given some change to a man on the train, and then a Korean woman was diggin in her purse, so the guy heads over there expecting some change. He's looking in her eyes saying "thank you thank you". Her hand emerges, and she puts some gum in her mouth, and just looks at the guy. Gutted.
Anyway do you give change and if not, why?
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to, but stopped. I saw a gathering of the blind beggars at one of the line 3 stations and they were being organized by a "handler" as to which train they would get on (going both directions). I can olny assume these people give a percentage of their daily earnings to this guy. I simply won't support the beggars anymore if the money is not for them.

I got taken by another beggar scam as well (I have no money, can you give me omney for a subway ticket?), so I just don't believe them anymore. I'll stick to my charities, where I know my money is going where it is intended.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't give either.

The ones who really really need it don't go begging for it.

it's are only those who have no self esteem anymore that see it as an easy way to money.

In my student years, a friend of mine wanted to test how much he good get by begging on the street.

He made more money then what most people earn in a day of honest hard work, about 80 Euros, that was ten years ago.
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semphoon



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Where Nowon is

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes if I see an old person collecting cardboard/newspapers etc in the street I will give them money. They are not begging and wanting free money. They work hard for little money. I feel sorry for them and guilty that I make a lot more money for much less effort.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a classic experience at Seoul Station. A beggar came up and sat next to me. He asked in Korean for some money. I just gave the shoulder-shrug. He then asked in English, then in Japanese. He wouldn't go away, so I told him in German that I didn't understand him. I'll be dipped if he didn't ask for money again...in German!

Gave him a thousand won, a smoke, and the rest of my coffee. Hey, the guy was good.
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faster



Joined: 03 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do it pretty often. Not for the beggars (who knows what happens with that money), but for me.

I find it helps me break the dangerous attachment to money (to some degree, of course. I'm not anti-money by any means).
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
I had a classic experience at Seoul Station. A beggar came up and sat next to me. He asked in Korean for some money. I just gave the shoulder-shrug. He then asked in English, then in Japanese. He wouldn't go away, so I told him in German that I didn't understand him. I'll be dipped if he didn't ask for money again...in German!

Gave him a thousand won, a smoke, and the rest of my coffee. Hey, the guy was good.


Damn!

Check this out.

One of my co-workers (research engineer) was in San Francisco for a confrence a few years ago.

She was approached by a man who asked her if she was Korean.

She said "yes, I am Korean"

He said "Man won chuseyo"

Very Happy

I asked her what she said,

She asked him how he knew Korean.

He said he had been in the army stationed in Korea.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By giving money to beggars you are not helping. Give to an organization that helps them, like a food kitchen or something. Giving money to beggars means they now have money to buy some cheap soju or booze which doesnt help. You are helping them feed their addictions which means they spiral further into oblivion. Shame on anyone who does this.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
By giving money to beggars you are not helping. Give to an organization that helps them, like a food kitchen or something. Giving money to beggars means they now have money to buy some cheap soju or booze which doesnt help. You are helping them feed their addictions which means they spiral further into oblivion. Shame on anyone who does this.


The system works a little differently here. There's no social safety net. No quota for hiring "visible minorities." Heck, there's not even a retirement plan. If someone is disabled or blind, they will have a very difficult time supporting themselves. Not all beggars are substance-abusers.

That said, I don't give to everyone who asks. If a guy looks like he's fit to do a day's work, then I'll walk by. However, I take pity on people who are disabled or just elderly because without family or government help, their options are pretty slim.
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted yes, but it depends. If they are visibly spasticated or blind, then yeah. If it's just some old guy shuffling down the aisle, then no.

I am aware of the arguments against giving to beggars, but at a personal level, when you see a guy with no means to support himself, it becomes basic compassion.

Spread the wealth.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
By giving money to beggars you are not helping. Give to an organization that helps them, like a food kitchen or something. Giving money to beggars means they now have money to buy some cheap soju or booze which doesnt help. You are helping them feed their addictions which means they spiral further into oblivion. Shame on anyone who does this.

That's pretty much how I felt in my uni town back in Canada. The bums would hang around the liquor store or beer store and beg for money "so they could have lunch". Really? Liquid lunch? Bugger off.

There was one guy though in downtown Kitchener, though, who was a decent enough fellow but just had a terrible string of bad luck that put him on his ass. He rarely begged for money, which is probably why I helped the guy out from time to time. He would collect cardboard and cans and whatnot from the trash just for pocket change. He wasn't a boozer or a smoker. He just wanted something to eat. I bought the guy a few pizzas and other food over the years, and gave the guy an ear and the company of a human who wouldn't spit on him for being homeless. He was on his way to getting off the street for good by the time I left for Korea. I wonder if he made it?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesnt "depend" and ir doesnt "work a little differently here". People are people. The homeless are homeless because they have a problem that prevents them from NOT being homeless and BY AND LARGE that is a substance abuse problem or some kind of addiction that YOU are helping him feed. And yes, EVEN in Korea there are organizations that help. It is a basic lazyness on YOUR part to assume there are no such safety nets without doing the research first.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
It doesnt "depend" and ir doesnt "work a little differently here". People are people. The homeless are homeless because they have a problem that prevents them from NOT being homeless and BY AND LARGE that is a substance abuse problem or some kind of addiction that YOU are helping him feed. And yes, EVEN in Korea there are organizations that help. It is a basic lazyness on YOUR part to assume there are no such safety nets without doing the research first.


Jinju disagrees with me AND insults me personally. There's my shock of the day.

Where's your research indicating these guys have substance problems? Of course Korea has fewer social assistance systems than the West. I'll show you the stats when you prove your own assertions.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
jinju wrote:
It doesnt "depend" and ir doesnt "work a little differently here". People are people. The homeless are homeless because they have a problem that prevents them from NOT being homeless and BY AND LARGE that is a substance abuse problem or some kind of addiction that YOU are helping him feed. And yes, EVEN in Korea there are organizations that help. It is a basic lazyness on YOUR part to assume there are no such safety nets without doing the research first.


Jinju disagrees with me AND insults me personally. There's my shock of the day.

Where's your research indicating these guys have substance problems? Of course Korea has fewer social assistance systems than the West. I'll show you the stats when you prove your own assertions.


No research, dont need it. How many Korean guys do you know that DONT hit the bottle hard? And these are employed guys with homes. Logic would lead one to believe that it aint much rosier among the hobos. But hey, Kermo, I wont rain on your parade. Keep feeding their addictions if it makes you think like you are the new and impoved Mother Theresa. Good luck with the saving-the-world gig.
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therooster



Joined: 11 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry...but how far up your own arse do you have to be to think that people who beg are having a great easy ride in life ?? Ridiculous !!!

Firstly the measly ammount of money people get begging in no ways makes up for the total loss of dignity . Also they have to deal with mean smug bastards like you everyday...in which was is this "easier" than normal work ?

I assume you are all English teachers ....I'd take a good hard look at yourself and your work before you get so precious about "earning your living" .

Mommy and daddy must have caressed your special little bums with the silver spoon ever so gently for you to feel so entitled that you feel it's never your duty to actively help those in society less fortunate than you !

W@nkers !!!


and one more thing...it's only Fekking money.....stop letting it eat your sad little souls !!!!
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