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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans don't want their soldiers contributing to an international effort. Why does that not surprise me?
One day they will have to realise they are part of homo sapiens too, the international community, and as a rich developed nation, must play their part in responsibly helping peacekeep troubled regions beyond their own borders.
Instead, they want the US to do everything to maintain world security, and their own (against NK), while doing little to contribute, and backstabbing the US the whole way.
They basically want a free ride, and everything their own way.
Sounds like your average hakwon boss mentality. |
You are so far from living on this planet it's scary.
Are you saying the US was maintaining world security by invading Iraq? Are you saying that was an international effort? The South Korean government is, like the so-called 'coalition of the willing', capitulating to US pressure against the wishes of the majority of it's own citizens by sending Korean troops into the mess in Iraq, caused by the US, which now wants the UN to come and help clean it up. Seems from the reaction on this board that having Roh as a puppet doesn't satisfy you at all....you'd like a little more ***-kissing?
You can't have it both ways. Are you here to defend freedom and democracy? Then allow public opinion to carry some weight with the government (and I am *not* suggesting an elected government should automatically bow to public opinion merely that it ought to listen to it). 'Korea owes the US' does not mean the US owns Korea. A lot of people don't think they owe you anything or think it's not so simple anyway: but they must all be ungrateful or stupid like your hagwon boss.
Oh I really love the way you criticise Korea for not realising that they "as a rich developed nation, must play their part in responsibly helping peacekeep troubled regions beyond their own borders".      Oh, it's a troll, right?? Please tell me it's a troll, I took you seriously for a while there, that *has* to be comedy right????????!!!!!!!!
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Matt:
Please answer the following questions, since you seem to know everything about this topic:
1. How much does SK pay the US to keep troops here?
2. How much does it cost the US to keep troops here?
3. What advantage does it serve the USA to keep troops here?
4. Adding all of these figures up, how much money per year do you figure the USA makes off of staying in SK?
5. What would happen to the Korean economy (and your job) if the US left? |
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Joe Thanks
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Dudleyville
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
Matt:
Please answer the following questions, since you seem to know everything about this topic:
1. How much does SK pay the US to keep troops here?
2. How much does it cost the US to keep troops here?
3. What advantage does it serve the USA to keep troops here?
4. Adding all of these figures up, how much money per year do you figure the USA makes off of staying in SK?
5. What would happen to the Korean economy (and your job) if the US left? |
Derek, Matt's the guy who assumes when a critic rallies against SK and NK bullying Japan that he thinks it's okay for the Koreas to do it and imediately dismisses the critics for not seeing the supposed injustices Koreans endured under Japan when they critique such rabid jingoism!
With Matt dealing with someone opperating on less than "all fours."
Cheers,
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
Matt:
Please answer the following questions, since you seem to know everything about this topic:
1. How much does SK pay the US to keep troops here?
2. How much does it cost the US to keep troops here?
3. What advantage does it serve the USA to keep troops here?
4. Adding all of these figures up, how much money per year do you figure the USA makes off of staying in SK?
5. What would happen to the Korean economy (and your job) if the US left? |
From what i have found in the web.
1. SK paid about 490 million US$ in 2002. It was a 10.4% increase from the year before. Kyunhyang News(Korean)
2. SK pays about 42% of the total expences(personnel expences excluded).
3. influencing it's power on Korean government, Selling exclusiverly US made weaponry.
4. It does not seem to be a losing business.
5. See #3. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Woodford:
Promoting world security and defending freedom and democracy: The U.S invaded Iraq for just this. Taking out an extremist dictatorship that threatened several countries with chemical and other weapons, a govt that oppressed its own people to a horrific degree.
Other countries helped in the mission. SK is a prosperous developed nation that should play its part in the bigger picture, instead of seeing themselves as a master race beamed down from heaven that is separate and above the rest of us.
Lets just see how enthusiastically SK helps to support future peacekeeping/ other operations. I doubt if they will contribute anything without being forced to do so bt extreme political pressure.
Having their ass saved and supported by the US for so long, and then hating Americans simply because they need them so much, is hardly sentient behavior. |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Lets just see how enthusiastically SK helps to support future peacekeeping/ other operations. I doubt if they will contribute anything without being forced to do so bt extreme political pressure.
Having their ass saved and supported by the US for so long, and then hating Americans simply because they need them so much, is hardly sentient behavior. |
Koreans played mercenary in Viet Nam. 310,000 were sent there and more than 5000 died.
Hey, we recently sent a troop of 3200 in East Timor.  |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I think we should pull out ALL US troops and then let the Koreans 'defend" themselves.
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A lot of Koreans would agree with you. |
Bull s h i t they would. When they realized how much they would have to do for themselves and their own standing in the world to maintain the 'Korean dream' the vote would be 'stay' and they will still b i t c h. And if you look at the real numbers, in the polls thesedays, you are plain wrong. Sure the unification at all costs, the the international (read US) order pays for this, crowd wants them out, but really not many others when you give them the realities of what happens after a pull out. That said, I want the US forces out. Their is one a one way street in this alliance, and it all goes to Korea. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Thanks wrote:
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| Derek, Matt's the guy who assumes when a critic rallies against SK and NK bullying Japan that he thinks it's okay for the Koreas to do it and imediately dismisses the critics for not seeing the supposed injustices Koreans endured under Japan when they critique such rabid jingoism! |
Joe: So far as I can tell, there has been no Japan-bashing on this particular thread; in fact, I don't think anyone besides you has even mentioned the country. Maybe Matt has been anti-Japanese somewhere else, but how is that relevant to this topic? This reminds you of that other thread where you accused me of being anti-Japanese despite a total lack of evidence for the accusation.
Joe, this seems to be a real issue for you. Why don't you just start your own thread, call it I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BASH MY BELOVED JAPAN, and see how many posts you get? |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| indiercj wrote: |
| Derrek wrote: |
Matt:
Please answer the following questions, since you seem to know everything about this topic:
1. How much does SK pay the US to keep troops here?
2. How much does it cost the US to keep troops here?
3. What advantage does it serve the USA to keep troops here?
4. Adding all of these figures up, how much money per year do you figure the USA makes off of staying in SK?
5. What would happen to the Korean economy (and your job) if the US left? |
From what i have found in the web.
1. SK paid about 490 mil | | | |
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