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Which is the more racist: USA or UK? |
Probably USA |
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Probably UK |
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They're probably about the same |
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No idea |
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How could you go about quantifying such a thing? |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Alyallen surmised:
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But....I honestly don't know. I personally have dealt with more racism in 3+ years in Korea than in 22 years in America and I've never been to England.... |
Couldn't agree more, and how refreshing and honest (re: un-P.C.) coming from a poster who is Black.
Now if only the Black rabblerousers thought as you do (and Obama and Powell and Cosby and Watts and Keyes) the Black community would find its moral compass again, and that would be only to the benefit of all Americans. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Before I left the US, things were backsliding to the '60s.
Nooses all over the place, racist commentators, race-related massacres, and the return of Whites-only bathrooms.
Blackface performances are also making a comeback. Just ask DHS.
The racism of the justice system is being addressed, but that condition is hardly a product of modern times.
The UK has race relation problems as well. Their problems are on a bit of a different scale than American or South African race problems, so it's kind of like apples and oranges. Maybe there is a website or organization that has crunched the numbers, so perhaps the OP should consult them instead of us.
1 month in South Korea: No nooses, no gunfire, no death threats, no Aryan Brotherhood. So far so good. |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Just for the record Forida is roughly 18% Hispanic and 15% Black.
Other diversity Numbers, 8% Native American (Seminoles etc.)
German (11.8%)
Irish (10.3%)
English (9.2%)
Italian (6.3%)
French (2.8%)
Polish (2.7%)
Scottish (1.8%) |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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agentX wrote: |
Before I left the US, things were backsliding to the '60s.
Nooses all over the place, racist commentators, race-related massacres, and the return of Whites-only bathrooms.
Blackface performances are also making a comeback. Just ask DHS.
The racism of the justice system is being addressed, but that condition is hardly a product of modern times.
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Race related massacres? |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Alyallen surmised:
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But....I honestly don't know. I personally have dealt with more racism in 3+ years in Korea than in 22 years in America and I've never been to England.... |
Couldn't agree more, and how refreshing and honest (re: un-P.C.) coming from a poster who is Black.
Now if only the Black rabblerousers thought as you do (and Obama and Powell and Cosby and Watts and Keyes) the Black community would find its moral compass again, and that would be only to the benefit of all Americans. |
Thanks...
I've had a good life...others should be so fortunate. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Now if the question was which is more racist the US or Europe, that would be a whole different ball of wax. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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How can you compare? The U.S. is significantly different in different places. New York vs. London? ALL of America vs ALL of Britain.
Britain kind of strikes me as an equivalent to say New York State. So obviously New York State would be less racist than all 50 States combined on the whole, as NY has a long history of dealing with a lot of different people, etc. So if Britain would be like New York State, then Britain would be less racist than the U.S. as a whole.
If you compared New York vs London, then who knows, maybe similar? Not sure.
I've lived in New York, and if you are white, you probably aren't going to be a racist KKK guy, cuz you'd get your ass kicked on a daily basis every single time you stepped outside of the house if you exhibited those kinds of strong emotions/feelings. When I lived in NYC, the KKK tried to come to hold a rally, they were booed and told to get out of the city by blacks and whites combined. Plus in NYC, you just find that you'll be working together and everything else all the time, particularly if you are in Manhattan. When people become co-workers and you really get to know them, its not so easy to hold a bunch of racist views.
I don't know what London is like to live and work, as I've never done it before. But I didn't see anywhere near as many African-Brits as you see African-Americans in NYC. So I'd think the exposure of living and workign together wouldn't be that high.
Then again, there are plenty of other NON-NYC cities where you have both a lot of black and white and they seem very segregated - Detroit, Atlanta, etc. It creates a more 'us' and 'them', but there are SO many exceptions.
This is one of those questions, that is really really subjective.
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Now if the question was which is more racist the US or Europe, that would be a whole different ball of wax. |
After living in Spain for almost a year, I'll definetely without hesitation say Europe. Spain was one of the 'good' countries as well compared to Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland who were much more blatantly honest about their 'racism'.
Every African person I saw in Spain looked and stood out as someone completely outside of the society. At least when you are in London or New York, you have all kinds of black people who have suits, good jobs, briefcases, etc. Can't say that exists in any form whatsoever in Spain, nor will it anytime soon for a long time to come. Then again, it isn't really suppose to have any resemblance of a multicultural society either like the US or UK does these days. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Every African person I saw in Spain looked and stood out as someone completely outside of the society. At least when you are in London or New York, you have all kinds of black people who have suits, good jobs, briefcases, etc. Can't say that exists in any form whatsoever in Spain, nor will it anytime soon for a long time to come. Then again, it isn't really suppose to have any resemblance of a multicultural society either like the US or UK does these days. |
I'm not too familiar with the history of immigration to Spain, but I wonder if they've had a sizeable number of African immigrants for all that long? I don't recall them having any African colonies (unless you count a couple in North Africa - North Africans in Spain are a different matter and have a long history) like the British did, so it may be that Central and Southern African immigrants are fairly new? Also, they've had a huge influx of immigration in recent years, and that might also explain why they haven't yet had a chance to integrate. Remember that Spain has only become attractive (as a country with a good economy) to immigrants in very recent times. Spain is also a stepping stone for illegal immigrants who make it to Spain's shores with a view to then eventually migrating further north to countries like the UK. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
I've lived in New York, and if you are white, you probably aren't going to be a racist KKK guy, cuz you'd get your ass kicked on a daily basis every single time you stepped outside of the house if you exhibited those kinds of strong emotions/feelings. When I lived in NYC, the KKK tried to come to hold a rally, they were booed and told to get out of the city by blacks and whites combined. Plus in NYC, you just find that you'll be working together and everything else all the time, particularly if you are in Manhattan. When people become co-workers and you really get to know them, its not so easy to hold a bunch of racist views. |
That's not necessarily true. Most of the people that are stereotypically in the KKK are from the south, which has a significantly higher percentage of people that aren't white. I would assume that most of those cocksuckers are working class with low education, so they would probably be working with people of color on a daily basis. No racism, just statistics.
As for this debate, look at the statistics I posted earlier.
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stevieg4ever

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Location: London, England
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: |
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most of the blacks in spain probably cross through the Portugal boarder, themselves from North Africa I imagine. You are right though, they are totally removed from mainstream society: at least the chinese and indians in places like Barcelona have restaurants, tourist shops convenience stores or something or other. but you are exactly right, they dont aspire to be anything even resembling multicultural or integrated. The spanish wouldnt have it any other way i get the impression.
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Every African person I saw in Spain looked and stood out as someone completely outside of the society. At least when you are in London or New York, you have all kinds of black people who have suits, good jobs, briefcases, etc. Can't say that exists in any form whatsoever in Spain, nor will it anytime soon for a long time to come. Then again, it isn't really suppose to have any resemblance of a multicultural society either like the US or UK does these days. |
I'm not too familiar with the history of immigration to Spain, but I wonder if they've had a sizeable number of African immigrants for all that long? I don't recall them having any African colonies (unless you count a couple in North Africa - North Africans in Spain are a different matter and have a long history) like the British did, so it may be that Central and Southern African immigrants are fairly new? Also, they've had a huge influx of immigration in recent years, and that might also explain why they haven't yet had a chance to integrate. Remember that Spain has only become attractive (as a country with a good economy) to immigrants in very recent times. Spain is also a stepping stone for illegal immigrants who make it to Spain's shores with a view to then eventually migrating further north to countries like the UK. |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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In Rwanda there was no racism.
The rebels would kill you if your nose too big.
The Government forces killed you if your nose was too small.
However in Lilliput we open the egg at the narrow end. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I voted "poll is racist troll". |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland who were much more blatantly honest about their 'racism'. |
What on Earth do the Danes have to be racist about?
Legos and Pastry.... hardly the lynchpin of a master-race ideology. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Paddycakes wrote: |
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Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland who were much more blatantly honest about their 'racism'. |
What on Earth do the Danes have to be racist about?
Legos and Pastry.... hardly the lynchpin of a master-race ideology. |
Denmark voted in a strong right-wing government on an almost entirely non-immigrant platform.
Not to mention cartoons a couple years ago that highly offended the muslim world.
Politically they are one of the worst in Europe right now. They constantly mention that they AREN'T suppose to be a multinational society, and have no desire to be one.
Hard to say if that is racism or not, but its more of a Danes being for the Danes. They are a small country, and it probably is easier to control a homogenous populous. There is the other argument that almost NO countries in the world except for anglo ones and western europe ones who really do have such open immigration policies as well (although often based on colonialism in Europe's case). |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hard to say if that is racism or not, but its more of a Danes being for the Danes. |
I believe it's called democracy. |
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