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Funkdafied
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| "And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference." -- Susan Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime" |
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Big_Bird
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| "Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin |
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Most feminists don't care a toss what Andrea Dworkin says. |
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Funkdafied
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| "The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" -- Ti-Grace Atkinson "Amazon Odyssey" (p. 86) |
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Funkdafied
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| "When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." -- Sheila Jeffrys |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Funkdafied wrote: |
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| "And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference." -- Susan Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime" |
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These particular feminists loom so large in the public consciousness precisely because their views are so extreme. My feminist views (and those of most other feminists) are very dull by comparison, and so never get much publicity. How very boring, feminists who don't hate men. Yawn. |
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Masta_Don
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| As far as my personal research goes, I'd have to agree with the study. But then again, that just pits Western women versus Korean. Unless you're hunting deep in the Ozarks, I doubt you'd find many women in America who wouldn't claim to be feminists. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah but Andrea Dworkin was a total fruitcake. A vaginal nazi. In the 80s there were a few 20something feminists who found her raving extremism viscerally exciting, even if it made no sense...and some of them found her exciting BECAUSE it made no sense. And it was still safe for some of them to be rabid man-haters, because no one was going to call them on it. That was a long time ago, however. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah but Andrea Dworkin was a total fruitcake. A vaginal nazi. In the 80s there were a few 20something feminists who found her raving extremism viscerally exciting, even if it made no sense...and some of them found her exciting BECAUSE it made no sense. And it was still safe for some of them to be rabid man-haters, because no one was going to call them on it. That was a long time ago, however. |
Well said. |
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Manner of Speaking
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You know, although I'm Canadian, I'm rather glad that Doris Lessing won the Nobel Prize for Literature this year, because I think it means that Margaret Atwood is pretty much out of the running for ever winning it. The Committee is unlikely to award a second Nobel Prize to two such similar authors. Doris Lessing has had her complaints about men (what woman hasn't.  ), but she doesn't make the male characters in her books as anywhere near as relentlessly negative as Atwood does. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| You know, although I'm Canadian, I'm rather glad that Doris Lessing won the Nobel Prize for Literature this year, because I think it means that Margaret Atwood is pretty much out of the running for ever winning it. The Committee is unlikely to award a second Nobel Prize to two such similar authors. Doris Lessing has had her complaints about men (what woman hasn't. ), but she doesn't make the male characters in her books as anywhere near as relentlessly negative as Atwood does. |
It was amusing to see her reaction on learning that she'd won it. I wonder if there is a youtube clip of it. |
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Manner of Speaking
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Q: Which one of the seven dwarves was she?
A: Grumpy!  |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Q: Which one of the seven dwarves was she?
A: Grumpy! |
Grumpy indeed! Check out this clip: Doris Lessing on hearing she'd won the prize
I watched on old interview with her the other week though, and I really found I rather liked her. She's very 'no-nonsense' though. |
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Big_Bird
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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There are all kinds of feminists. When you tap into the more hardcore ones, it's a totally different world.
There are a lot of women who are like 'armchair feminists'. The kind that just have the most mainstream of views of women issues. The mainstream simplistic and most basic views that everyone can easily agree with.
But if you get more into the culture, the literature, the academic discourse, more hardcore communities, it's a totally different ballgame/world.
Big_Bird, if you are a 'feminist', you'd strike me much more mainstream and would agree with the more 'acceptable views' that nearly everyone would agree with. You definetely don't strike me as someone who would be wallowing around in the actual culture of feminist and reading academic discourses on feminism today. |
Damn straight.
Radical feminists (the ones who think all men are rapists, who think the *beep* is a weapon NO MATTER WHAT IT'S USED FOR) are a different matter.
I am a feminist. And I view a *beep* as a plaything.
Feunkdafied can keep posting those quotes, but that's like posting quotes from Hitler and claiming "all Germans agree with this."
I once saw Andrea Dworkin speak. A few days later, I saw someone who's name is completely failing me right now. She was a lesbian who at the time was with a transperson. She was big into porn, bondage I think. Crap, famous woman in that circle, but this was when I was 17 and I just can't remember...
EDIT: Oh, well, Pat Califia, who is now Patrick Califia. Shows how out of the lesbian-feminist loop I currently am....
Anyway, both feminists, damn different crowds. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| There are hundreds of different feminist theories. No one person can truly represent the entire feminist movement simply because many of the theories are contradictory to one another. I don't agree with at least 75% of the feminist theories out there. But more than anything, I object to traditional subservient roles to which women have been subjected to in Western and Asian cultures. And I also strongly object to the sex discrimination, harassment and objectification of women that is so prevalent in Western and Asian societies today. |
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