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Spongebob Squarepants

Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Location: You wanna see my caring face?, ROK
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: All FTs to be phased out of public schools by 2010 |
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Yep you read right. Heard it through the grapevine, and there are even presidential candidates using this as their platform.
The MOE wants to get the Korean teachers to teach their English classes entirely in English in order to completely do away with the foreign edutainers who are currently in such high demand and who, despite their (relatively) high salaries, can't work the miracles expected of them and teach the thousands of little Kims and Parks to "supeeku Englishee" properly.
The way they see it is:
1. They'll no longer have to deal with us darn whiteys (and all the issues arising from that)
2. They'll save oodles of money as they won't need to pay the KTs any more than they already make.
Is it just me, or are they trying their darndest to get rid of us all?
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Julius

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: All FTs to be phased out of public schools by 2010 |
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Spongebob Squarepants wrote: |
Is it just me, or are they trying their darndest to get rid of us all? |
No, they really are having a serious go at eliminating foreigners from the equation here.
I always suspected that Koreas sudden embrace of the outside world from the mid 90's onward was doomed to failure. The country has no real history of cultural exchange with anything outside its own borders. Problem is all thes policies are made by the old Korean male hierarchy which essentially dislikes change and anything foreign.
Add in the values of this society, and the fact that Korean media has determindley reinforced old stereotypes and prejudices: and you are left with a half-hearted cosmopolitan experiment tthat was doomed to failure from the off. Its like living in Berlin in 1939, and the axe will fall pretty soon now. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:06 am Post subject: |
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even presidential candidates using this as their platform |
Could you specify which of the candidates has adopted this as part of their platform?
We hear rumors of one sort and another all the time. Is the source of this one any more credible than other sources?
This is not meant as a challenge. Just that we do hear all sorts of rumors. |
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Optimus Prime

Joined: 05 Jul 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Funny thing is, if Hillary is elected, she plans on not letting SK ride the US gravy train any longer. Tighter visa restrictions, and an FTA no longer skewed in SK's favor.
Korea and Koreans can keep whitey out...just means they're going to be breeding with 3D people even darker than themselves from SE asia. |
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Spongebob Squarepants

Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Location: You wanna see my caring face?, ROK
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure which Korean presidential candidate has adopted this as a campaign promise, but since I'm one of many teaching on a course for Korean English teachers to up their skills so that they can then replace all the FTs by 2010.
Since we're in regular contact with the MOE, this is not just a rumor/hearsay. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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In Gangwondo its officially a given that we're working to put ourselves out of a job, but the timeframe is a little more realistic than what the OP is suggesting -- more like 2015. Gangwon is aiming for peak native teacher numbers by 2009 (around 300, up from 150 right now). A big part of those teachers' mandate is to help Korean english teachers get up to speed on teaching in english with an emphasis on communication. Younger K-teachers will also have enhanced opportunities to study abroad. "Old-style" K-teachers are starting to feel some pressure to adapt, switch subjects, or retire. This takes time.
Its an appropriate goal, in my opinion.
Political candidates spout all kinds of populist nonsense to win votes but cooler heads prevail over longer-term policies, one of which, common to all parties, is improving Koreans' english. I think the OP is being unduly alarmist. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Seems like a good idea, but if they're at all serious about English, they should have a full-time instructor where each class gets the teacher at least 3 times a week. That would mean hiring two foreign teachers. If they want to keep English instruction at the same freqency, foreign teachers are pretty much useless.
They should, however, hire qualified teachers. Koreans that speak English. And by 'speak' I mean really speak. Maybe with some education from an English-speaking university. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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schwa wrote: |
A big part of those teachers' mandate is to help Korean english teachers get up to speed on teaching in english with an emphasis on communication. Younger K-teachers will also have enhanced opportunities to study abroad. "Old-style" K-teachers are starting to feel some pressure to adapt, switch subjects, or retire. This takes time.
Its an appropriate goal, in my opinion. |
I have two coteachers. The head of the English dept has horrible English and never speaks English in class. WHEN she teaches, which is, oh, rarely. Instead she sits there, eating cookies, drinking coffee, and looking at catalogs. WHEN she is in the room, which is about 20% of the time.
The other coteacher has much better English, though not perfect, of course. When she teaches, she speaks 95% in English and then gets told by the boss that she needs to speak in Korean. |
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Woden
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: Re: All FTs to be phased out of public schools by 2010 |
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Spongebob Squarepants wrote: |
Yep you read right. Heard it through the grapevine, and there are even presidential candidates using this as their platform.
The MOE wants to get the Korean teachers to teach their English classes entirely in English in order to completely do away with the foreign edutainers who are currently in such high demand and who, despite their (relatively) high salaries, can't work the miracles expected of them and teach the thousands of little Kims and Parks to "supeeku Englishee" properly.
The way they see it is:
1. They'll no longer have to deal with us darn whiteys (and all the issues arising from that)
2. They'll save oodles of money as they won't need to pay the KTs any more than they already make.
Is it just me, or are they trying their darndest to get rid of us all? |
This is a good thing. The amount of money spent on us here is obscene and would be better spent on social programmes for those who are in need. Also, if English speaking and teaching is to be sustainable it is the only way to go. Whether it is achievable is another matter. |
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marlow
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Doesn't matter. It'll just help hagwons. |
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SHANE02

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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: |
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marlow wrote: |
Doesn't matter. It'll just help hagwons. |
Right.
more $ for private English education.
Why not make English an official languahe and actually let people hear/see it everyday? |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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More money for hagwons and less money for us. The supply will exceed the demand. |
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee

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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: |
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It'll just help private education again and everything will be back to square one. Think of it this way, if you were learning say Spanish in the States, who would most people rather learn it from, a native Spanish speaker or some whitebread priss who majored in 'Spanish studies' at Goatfark U? |
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crusher_of_heads
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: |
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yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
More money for hagwons and less money for us. The supply will exceed the demand. |
No.
The prestige of having a foreinger teach lil kim junior will go up-and so will the numbers in hagwans-we will get more money in the long run. |
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yingwenlaoshi

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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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crusher_of_heads wrote: |
yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
More money for hagwons and less money for us. The supply will exceed the demand. |
No.
The prestige of having a foreinger teach lil kim junior will go up-and so will the numbers in hagwans-we will get more money in the long run. |
More hagwons means less students in each hagwon. Means that hagwon owners won't have enough money to pay teachers. Less money.
Hagwons need to be regulated in such a way to limit the number of them in each area. It's a big problem. Bundang had a lot of students learning privately at one time. A rich area where subsequently many hagwons were started. Too many. Many went bankrupt and teachers and shareholders were cheated out of money.
The immediate outcome of public school jobs being out of the mix will mean a higher number of teachers applying to hagwons. This will happen quicker than new hagwons opening up.
Just think of how many public school teachers there are. Even if public school FTs are forced out gradually, it still means that the supply will outweigh the demand.
Do you really think they're relying on public schools to teach English? I don't think so, Tim. More teachers available for hagwon jobs. Simple. |
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