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twg
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New Visa Rules for Foreigners
In an attempt to stop the influx of peyote-smoking, girl-stealing, grossly unqualified English teachers coming into the country, the Korean government has decided that from next year, all foreigners must be Korean. |
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crusher_of_heads
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Okay, I'll consider that and reply later-I've had a tough week.
Here's a variable-are parents going to let that slide, wanting their kids to learn English, knowing that the overwhelming majority of Korean Teachers are simply unable to teach English well?
I'd say no, simply that kids are already in hagwons.
Discuss.
Worst case scenario, I relocate to New Zealand sooner than I'd like and take a pounding on the currency exchange-but I cannot see public schools getting rid of teachers-at least in middle and high school.
And to all, a good night. |
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twg
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: |
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I got it!
Kick them out of the public schools and send them to the hagwons to replace the teachers that left due to the new rules.
Brilliant! |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| The Perfect Cup of Coffee wrote: |
| It'll just help private education again and everything will be back to square one. Think of it this way, if you were learning say Spanish in the States, who would most people rather learn it from, a native Spanish speaker or some whitebread priss who majored in 'Spanish studies' at Goatfark U? |
Exactly.
There may be programs, of which the OP says he's involved with, where Korean teachers are being taught English, but how good could they be?
Really now.
For someone to teach English properly, the way it should be, they would need intensive study throughout their life. From elementary right through to univeristy. At the very least a degree in teaching English as a second language along with a high ability ranking in an English proficiency test from an accredited governmentally recognized institution in an English-speaking country.
Getting English instruction from a foreign teacher a maximum of five hours a wekk in Korea hardly covers all bases. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Okay, I'll consider that and reply later-I've had a tough week.
Here's a variable-are parents going to let that slide, wanting their kids to learn English, knowing that the overwhelming majority of Korean Teachers are simply unable to teach English well?
I'd say no, simply that kids are already in hagwons.
Discuss.
Worst case scenario, I relocate to New Zealand sooner than I'd like and take a pounding on the currency exchange-but I cannot see public schools getting rid of teachers-at least in middle and high school.
And to all, a good night. |
Well you know. It's not like I did a study on all this. I'm just talking. Who knows? Salaries could go up even though there's not much demand. Guess that doesn't seem logical, but one has to consider inflation. Then maybe quite a few will say screw off Korea and do something else. Teach somewhere else. And then the demand would rise again.
I just think this phasing out is a good idea if they want to keep Enlish instruction at the same frequency it's at now. What they really should do is completely change the program and utilize foreigners at full capacity. But how can they do this? They'd have to cut class sizes down and/or have more English classes per week for each class. That's a start. But again, how?
And is English really all that important? They can't make up their fkg minds. Do it or don't do it.
Koreans teaching English is a joke, but it's what a lot of Koreans want. I hear it all the time. They'd have to totally revamp their society in order to meet proper English language instruction needs.
So I say, "Fk it". Who cares? Let 'em do what they want to do. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| It make sense even if many of us do not want to see it. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| It make sense even if many of us do not want to see it. |
Of course it makes sense. Public school jobs are useless for teaching English. Like I said, they'd have to totally change the instruction program to make proper use out of foreign teachers. And it doesn't really look like that's possible.
They should just take English totally out of the public school scheme. What's the point? |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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I do not think they should take English out of the Public School system ying.
I think they could do better and that foreign teachers might not be the best long term solution unless they actually start hiring qualified teachers.
If they can train local teachers well enough and have them teach then it is a win-win situation for Koreans. It is their country and their education program afterall. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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What is funny is to read some of the thread where people predict there will be either a large increase or decrease in the number of teachers and/or pay.
Everything at this point is speculation. With the visa rules changing and public schools trying to reduce the number of native speaking teachers, there is no way to tell for sure what will happen.
People ought to think hard before jumping the gun and making wild predictions. |
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twg
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| People ought to think hard before jumping the gun and making wild predictions. |
THEY'RE GONNA TURN US ALL INTO SOYLENT GREEN! |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
I do not think they should take English out of the Public School system ying.
I think they could do better and that foreign teachers might not be the best long term solution unless they actually start hiring qualified teachers.
If they can train local teachers well enough and have them teach then it is a win-win situation for Koreans. It is their country and their education program afterall. |
Even if they hire qualified teachers (whatever that is), it's still no good. Too many kids in the class and not enough classes to learn a foreign language.
If they can train local teachers well enough? That's a big if. They can't. And, like I said, not enough class time and too many students in each class to make enough of a dent in what already exists.
But, yeah. It's their country. They can do whatever they like. I don't care. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
What is funny is to read some of the thread where people predict there will be either a large increase or decrease in the number of teachers and/or pay.
Everything at this point is speculation. With the visa rules changing and public schools trying to reduce the number of native speaking teachers, there is no way to tell for sure what will happen.
People ought to think hard before jumping the gun and making wild predictions. |
True. But if we're not making predicitons, we might as well not talk at all. I could care less, really.
Why think hard?
Maybe Korea should just wake up and stop hiring foreign teachers altogether.
Or maybe they learn enough English as it is. It's not like they have to be completely fluent. Not like everyone needs to learn it. |
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Kimchieluver
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| Even if the government decides to phase out FTs (and that's a big if), public schools will still hire FTs independently as many do now. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
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I don't know... it seems to me that while a few of them seem to really like English and want to speak it... most of them just want to pass the tests. Also, it can be really hard for a foreigner to control the classes, so a lot of them miss out just because foreigners aren't allowed to treat the kids like the Korean teachers do.
What's really odd is that it's so important for them to know English and yet they don't want anything to with anyone who can actually speak it. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:56 am Post subject: Re: All FTs to be phased out of public schools by 2010 |
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| Spongebob Squarepants wrote: |
| Is it just me, or are they trying their darndest to get rid of us all? |
It sure took them long enough to be honest with themselves and, more importantly, us. I couldn't care less. I'll be gone by the time 2010 rolls around anyway, shacked up in Japan with my hot Japanese teacher making cash by the armload. |
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