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denistron



Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:23 am    Post subject: Korea after the new visa laws Reply with quote

Anyone care to speculate on the job environment here in Korea after the upcoming visa law changes? Assuming you are still here after the new rules go into effect, what do you think it will it be like here? Will there be a noticeable drop in foreign English teachers?

My theory is there will be a sudden insane demand for foreign teachers, as all the hagwans who haven�t been planning in advance get desperate. Same goes for most other institutions now that I think about it. Going out on a limb here and guessing that the new laws also will make the visa applicants the master of their own visas, I have a theory that the best jobs are going to get insanely easy to get for some.

Either way I think we can expect higher paying jobs as the result of the shortage of white faces. What do you think?
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shaunew



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Less jobs but the same pay. The demand might be there but the Koreans have to be willing to pay more which they are not.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wont change anything..
people are desperate to teach here..
they need money, they cant get their loans paid off any other way
and alot of people cant even get jobs with the degrees back home..
everyone knows someone or knows someone who has been to korea
they all know the prospecs so its just alittle harder to get the visa.
but they will go through it because they still believe in the 2 million and free housing! and privates!!!
no change what so ever!!

just gonna put more work on the korean embassies thats all!
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SHANE02



Joined: 04 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More illegal teachers
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am finished in January, but my hagwon asked me to stay longer and I told them I had plans which I can't stray away from. They seem to respect this. I told them it would require a visa renewal which would disqualify me from applying for another visa since you can't get a visa if you already have one and then it would most likely be a one year visa tied to them which id didn't want the headache of getting out of. They said it would be no problem to get a 2 month work visa, but I was firm with my decision to say no and they seem to respect that. They then said that I would not get my final pay until the very last day due to former teachers running with the money when receiving it early. I explained I needed time for a deposit to post and then to bank to purchase dollars. They agreed to pay in cash since I pointed out that E deposits take an extra day and my last day is on a Friday while I have to leave the morning.

While they put my job up on the internet 2 days ago, the unsure new visa process could get hairy and cause delays. Also, the supply of new hagwon teachers is inadequate for hagwon demands so this makes the market competitive for recruiters and hagwons.

These new visa laws will only make it more difficult for hagwon teachers to leave their jobs. While fair playing hagwons make a good entry level job, it is not where I want to stay one day longer than I have to and it is not my responsibility if they can't find a replacement on time. They know about the new laws and are concerned that 2 months is not enough time to get a teacher now though in the regular system, they were being very responsible by thinking 2 months in advance like they are doing.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What new visa measures?
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:


These new visa laws will only make it more difficult for hagwon teachers to leave their jobs. While fair playing hagwons make a good entry level job, it is not where I want to stay one day longer than I have to and it is not my responsibility if they can't find a replacement on time. They know about the new laws and are concerned that 2 months is not enough time to get a teacher now though in the regular system, they were being very responsible by thinking 2 months in advance like they are doing.



I disagree. I think they will make it easier for people in the country. Perhaps we won't have to do a Visa run to move to a new school.

We just don't know yet.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
sojourner1 wrote:


These new visa laws will only make it more difficult for hagwon teachers to leave their jobs. While fair playing hagwons make a good entry level job, it is not where I want to stay one day longer than I have to and it is not my responsibility if they can't find a replacement on time. They know about the new laws and are concerned that 2 months is not enough time to get a teacher now though in the regular system, they were being very responsible by thinking 2 months in advance like they are doing.



I disagree. I think they will make it easier for people in the country. Perhaps we won't have to do a Visa run to move to a new school.

We just don't know yet.


Sounds that way from reports I've read on this site today.

What ever happened to that 3-year deal I read about on here? Something about foreign workers who have be working in-country for 3 years able to get permanent status.

I wonder if a person could get permanent residency? Hmm. Without getting married.
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the rumors are 100% true:

Noobs looking at the hoops they have to jump through and all of the money they'll have to spend and saying, "Japan is much sexier to me. I'm going there."

A tonne of hagwons closing down and screwing a tonne of teachers on their way out.

All of the F2 holders cackling in glee because their long cherished dream of them not having to compete with so many E2 holders for jobs will come true.

People doing privates on a tourist visa will continue going about their business as usual.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
All of the F2 holders cackling in glee because their long cherished dream of them not having to compete with so many E2 holders for jobs will come true.



A snicker, tops.
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
If the rumors are 100% true:

Noobs looking at the hoops they have to jump through and all of the money they'll have to spend and saying, "Japan is much sexier to me. I'm going there."

A tonne of hagwons closing down and screwing a tonne of teachers on their way out.

All of the F2 holders cackling in glee because their long cherished dream of them not having to compete with so many E2 holders for jobs will come true.

People doing privates on a tourist visa will continue going about their business as usual.


For what it's worth, I agree with this post completely.

Bring on the changes.
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xingyiman



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I think it will be like any knee-jerk reaction in any of the Asian nations. After the policy threatens a whole chucnk of the domestic economy and people are faced with the consequences of a not well thought out decision, they'll cave and things will be pretty much back to normal. They passed the same criminal background check thing in Thailand but then realized that it was impossible for the teachers here to get them from their countries in a reasonable time period. So now they are basically ignoring them altogether. If this thing is followed to the letter it would, in my opinion, facillitate the collapse of the ESL industry in Korea in a few short months. CBC's aren't easy to obtain in America and harder to get in many places in Europe. It's not like a medical check and something you could do just by walking in to a doctor and walking out with it. Like it or not, newbies are the backbone of the ESL industry in Korea and they will probably lose over 50% of the potential teachers simply because of the hassles and hardships of jumping through all the hoops. THere aren't enough stay on teachers to fill the gaps Thailand and Taiwan will probably benefit from a diverted flow of potential teachers as anyone wishing to teach abroad will simply find an easier venue and they certainly do exist.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
People doing privates on a tourist visa will continue going about their business as usual.

Immigration has promised that penalties will be harsher for illegals. However, that only means the teachers will get nailed. Hagwon owners will continue to get way with it sans penalty just as they always have.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This about the 50th thread that someone has started to speculate what will or won't happen. The only thing you are doing is causing...(wait for it)

MORE PANIC!

Why don't people just calm down and wait to hear what the regulations will actually be rather then starting thread after thread of guessing games.
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denistron



Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cause it's fun to see you squirm.
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