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Masta_Don

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Let them Eat Cake-uh: An Argument in Favor of Konglish |
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If the rumors that are floating around right now - the immigration policy changes, the replacement of foreign teachers with Koreans, etc. - holds true, then I think we'll finally see what I think Korea should have been striving for all along: Konglish.
Korea's biggest problem is that they want the world to adapt to them instead of having to adapt to the rest of the world. It's a matter of pride it seems. Unfortunately, they don't have much to entice the rest of the world to becoming Koreanized. But to be a global player Korea has to make some concessions. Hence, all of us teaching English here.
We spend all this time here, working hard (an assumption), but the pay-off is so little once you go outside and hear all the please-uh's and lunch-ee's. They refuse to think in English. It seems that everything is put back into Korea characters before they say anything. It's that cultural identity sneaking up again. When I try and speak Korean, I think in Korean, since that's going to be the most accurate pronunciation. I had a co-worker ask me how to spell 'v' in Korean. I told her it wasn't possible. So she wrote down 버이 or some nonsense since she had to have something. And that's what they teach the kids, and with the hierarchy here, who are the kids to second guess, their compatriot Korean teacher, or some white dude?
So what's a good compromise? LET THEM SPEAK KONGLISH. Get us out of the class and fill it with Korean teachers - who all make the same mistakes, amirite? That alone shows something's emerging - and let them go to work on these kids. Let them have their uh's and ee's and misconjugated verbs. Hell, just use time order words to show if something is past, present or future. Set up their own set of rules, their own new splinter language, and they'll be able to communicate (enough) with the English world but still have their own distinct language. Call it the second coming of Hangeul.
It's worked in Singapore, the Philippines, Jamaica and elsewhere. So I say, pighting! |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| Korea's biggest problem is that they want the world to adapt to them instead of having to adapt to the rest of the world. |
Really? Could you explain this more? I just think it's strange that a person coming from mighty Western civilization could look at Korea and say that it's THEM who wants others to adapt to their way of life. Korea has completely torn itself loose from its cultural moorings and adopted everything that is western from blue jeans to assembly lines. The fact that Konglish even exists demonstrates an attempt to adopt to the outside world, albeit a half-hearted one. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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It's not exactly a proveable point, but I agree. At least the KOreans who live here. I have not met enough overseas to know.
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| Korea's biggest problem is that they want the world to adapt to them instead of having to adapt to the rest of the world. |
Really? Could you explain this more? I just think it's strange that a person coming from mighty Western civilization could look at Korea and say that it's THEM who wants others to adapt to their way of life. Korea has completely torn itself loose from its cultural moorings and adopted everything that is western from blue jeans to assembly lines. The fact that Konglish even exists demonstrates an attempt to adopt to the outside world, albeit a half-hearted one. |
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HapKi

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Anyone who has studied even a little in World Englishes would know that the OP is at least partially right. Put an English speaker from India in a room with an English speaker from Europe, and they're going to understand each other.
Konglish may be a stumbling block, but it's not going to make or break a conversation. Communicative competency will overcome. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Let them Eat Cake-uh: An Argument in Favor of Konglish |
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| Masta_Don wrote: |
| I had a co-worker ask me how to spell 'v' in Korean. I told her it wasn't possible. So she wrote down 버이 or some nonsense |
브이
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| And that's what they teach the kids, and with the hierarchy here, who are the kids to second guess, their compatriot Korean teacher, or some white dude? |
I can't count the number of times in my hagwon days when a student yelled at me that I was wrong and their KT was right. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Let them Eat Cake-uh: An Argument in Favor of Konglish |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| I can't count the number of times in my hagwon days when a student yelled at me that I was wrong and their KT was right. |
Oh that would be so amusing (but frustrating). |
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normalcyispasse

Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| So, basically you want to develop a Korean pidgin. I shall call this language Koreole. |
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Return Jones

Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Location: I will see you in far-off places
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, it's 브위. Check out a random cyworld page and the caption under any picture with the V sign will likely say "브위!" |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| HapKi wrote: |
Anyone who has studied even a little in World Englishes would know that the OP is at least partially right. Put an English speaker from India in a room with an English speaker from Europe, and they're going to understand each other.
Konglish may be a stumbling block, but it's not going to make or break a conversation. Communicative competency will overcome. |
Ever had a conversation with a student that was like trying to communicate with the Robot from Planet X? |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Return Jones wrote: |
| Actually, it's 브위. Check out a random cyworld page and the caption under any picture with the V sign will likely say "브위!" |
Cyworld. The bastion of English perfection. Anime "Taekyeon V" is written "태견 브이"
(at least "beu-ee" sound remotely similar to "v"... "beu-wee" isn't even close)
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