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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
Happeningthing:
I concur with Scotticus. The police did NOT do their job. Metro Politician called the police for help, not the drunk ajossi, yet they treated the situation like the ajossi called them and pretty much ignored everything Metro Politician had to say. They told him he shouldn't call the police, even when he is being harassed, followed, shouted racially at and having hands put on him.
To answer your main question, it's racist because it wouldn't have happened like this if Metro Politician was a Korean. This is case about police inefficiency. The racist elements are secondary, but escalate the inappropriateness of the situation. Read Metro Politician's second post on his site, I linked it above. He answers some of the questions I think you are raising.
Furthermore, like I said, this is one incident in MANY involving police discrimination of foreigners. This is just a great example to use as evidence since Metro Politician has video, audio and witnesses along with his credibility. |
Yeah, fair enough Bibbity.
I thought the cops were telling Metro not to call the police, because it overcomplicates a relatively minor annoyance, and then he wouldn't be open to false accusations. I imagine the cops have a good idea of what the truth of the situation is, but they are hamstrung by their obligations.
Still, I think your case would be better made with details of these many different examples of discrimination instead of relying on this one alone. It would be more convincing to someone like myself who has managed to spend a few years in Korea, and never once be part of something like this. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
Someone posted recently about why foreigners encounter racism with the police, but didn't give them any information. This is an example of what NOT to send to the police. You need specifics about their misconduct. |
I think it was a mistake to link his site. He could easily be charged with libel for telling the story. The truth isn't a defence against libel in this country. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
Someone posted recently about why foreigners encounter racism with the police, but didn't give them any information. This is an example of what NOT to send to the police. You need specifics about their misconduct. |
I think it was a mistake to link his site. He could easily be charged with libel for telling the story. The truth isn't a defence against libel in this country. |
Well, he didn't drop any names or reveal the ajossi's identity. I think it is a matter of time that his public blog is pointed out. Everyone should know about the ordeal.
I notice on the snitchboard that someone has a great post from the drunk ajossi's perspective. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
Someone posted recently about why foreigners encounter racism with the police, but didn't give them any information. This is an example of what NOT to send to the police. You need specifics about their misconduct. |
I think it was a mistake to link his site. He could easily be charged with libel for telling the story. The truth isn't a defence against libel in this country. |
Well, he didn't drop any names or reveal the ajossi's identity. I think it is a matter of time that his public blog is pointed out. Everyone should know about the ordeal.
I notice on the snitchboard that someone has a great post from the drunk ajossi's perspective. |
Considering how things have gone so far, I wouldn't be surprised if he could be charged for libel with this, even though he doesn't mention the drunk old man's name. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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But you are not black are you? therefore you wouldnt be subject to the same kind of verbal onslaught that Metropolitician received by the ajossi.
and just because it has never happened to you doesnt mean that:
a) it doesnt happen to other people
b) it couldnt happen [to you] in the future
| happeningthang wrote: |
| It would be more convincing to someone like myself who has managed to spend a few years in Korea, and never once be part of something like this. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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In Australia, where I'm from, police are obliged to act on complaints. Perhaps, I shouldn't assume that's the case in a lot of countries, or that its what happened here, but it's a perfectly legitimate explanation for the actions of the K-cops.
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Don't give me that *beep*. You're trying to tell me that anytime some sloshed belligerent drunk comes up with some stupid story about how he was "assaulted," that Australian cops will waste time and man-power investigating it? Do you have any idea how many crank calls, phoney *beep* and false statements get made to police departments every day? Can you imagine the utter lack of ANYTHING that would get done if police departments gave every stupid drunk the same clout they gave to people who have something legitimately wrong with them? Unless the circumstances were extremely suspicious, any cop with half a brain would look at this situation and ascertain EXACTLY what happened.
I'm not sure what's worse... your portrayal of Australian cops as morons, or your defense of the K-Cops handling of the situation. |
Oh... was I giving you *beep*??
I don't know what's worse your inability to realise police aren't always free to act on what they ascertain as "exactly what happened" - look at my reply to Bippity - or your inability to understand that the role of the judge and jury isn't left up to the police.
There's usually a lot of nuance involved that you don't seem to take into account. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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I've read the metropolitician's blog several times. The assumption on this thread that Metropolitician is the victim here is problematic. From his blog I got the impression that the dude is on a crusade to change korea.
In other words, he needs to grow up. I don't know the facts surrounding the case and neither does anyone else here. There are always two sides to a story and we haven't heard the old man's story. As usual the petty purveyors of paronoia and fear are making hay over this. Let's wait to see what charges are brought up and how this issue is finally settled before we castigate a whole police force. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| stevieg4ever wrote: |
But you are not black are you? therefore you wouldnt be subject to the same kind of verbal onslaught that Metropolitician received by the ajossi.
and just because it has never happened to you doesnt mean that:
a) it doesnt happen to other people
b) it couldnt happen [to you] in the future
| happeningthang wrote: |
| It would be more convincing to someone like myself who has managed to spend a few years in Korea, and never once be part of something like this. |
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I think everyone accepts that Drunky McDrinkytoomuch is a racist git, but people are saying that the police are too - I think there's no strong evidence of it here.
And I have to agree with Komerican. Metropolitican has some very stong opinions about race and racism, and respected as he may be - I have no doubt they inform his accounts of things. |
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