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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: ONCE YOU GO BLACK...WHITE WOMEN IN THE AFRICAN SKIN TRADE |
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For decades, middle-aged white women bemoaned their husbands and ex-husbands interest in much younger, mostly Asian women. Why, it was sinful, dastardly, and downright indecent. Anglo women from Britain and Australia had been particularly irrate over the spread of the contagion known as yellow fever. And then, too, were the feminists, decrying the exploitation of the vulnerable of their gender. Along came the postcolonialists who raised the spectre of neo-colonialism when describing the flesh trade in places like Thailand and the Philippines.
The exoticism of Asian women was roundly criticized, especially by Asian American activists, who viewed it as deviant fetishism at best and subjugation at worst.
Then along came tourism to Asia by single and divorced white younger white women, often with a genuine interest in Asian culture (like those of the opposite gender, for whom they seldom acknowledged legitimate motives). Before you knew it, there were white women dating and sleeping with Asian men and commenting on their remarkable gentleness in a manner that few among them felt was also exoticizing the Other. Even academic types got in on the act: Cleo Odzer, for example, did her dissertation fieldwork on Thai women who traded their wares in Bangkok's most famous redlight district, in "Patpong Sisters." She met a young male tout who later became her lover, and helped her to gain "valued insights" into prostitution in that country.
Now along comes an amazing addition to the burgeoning annals of sex tourism [with my admittedly snide commentary, of course]:
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Older white women join Kenya's sex tourists
Nov 26, 2007
By Jeremy Clarke
MOMBASA, Kenya (Reuters) - Bethan, 56, lives in southern England on the same street as best friend Allie, 64. They are on their first holiday to Kenya, a country they say is "just full of big young boys who like us older girls." Hard figures [no pun intended] are difficult to come by, but local people on the coast estimate that as many as one in five single women visiting from rich countries are in search of sex. Allie and Bethan -- who both declined to give their full names -- said they planned to spend a whole month touring Kenya's palm-fringed beaches. They would do well to avoid the country's tourism officials...
Although condom use can only be guessed at, Julia Davidson, an academic at Nottingham University who writes on sex tourism, said that in the course of her research [a titillating topic, no doubt] she had met women who shunned condoms -- finding them too "businesslike" for their exotic fantasies [oh, there's the e-word].
The white beaches [no pun intended] of the Indian Ocean coast stretched before the friends as they both walked arm-in-arm with young African men, Allie resting her white haired-head on the shoulder of her companion, a six-foot-four 23-year-old from the Maasai tribe [how quaint].
He wore new sunglasses he said were a gift from her. "We both get something we want -- where's the negative?" Allie asked in a bar later, nursing a strong, golden co-ck[for]tail.
She was still wearing her bikini top [to prevent her breasts from sagging], having just pulled on a pair of jeans and a necklace of traditional African beads. Bethan sipped the same local drink: a powerful mix of honey, fresh limes and vodka known locally as "Dawa," or "medicine." She kept one eye on her date -- a 20-year-old playing pool, a red bandana tying back dreadlocks and new-looking sports shoes on his feet [can you say "covetous?"]. He looked up and came to join her at the table, kissing her, then collecting more coins for the pool game.
"JUST UNWHOLESOME"
..."It's about trying to make those guests feel as uncomfortable as possible ... But it's a fine line. We are 100 percent against anything illegal, such as prostitution. But it's different with something like this -- it's just unwholesome." These same beaches have long been notorious for attracting another type of sex tourists -- those who abuse children.
As many as 15,000 girls in four coastal districts -- about a third of all 12-18 year-olds girls there -- are involved in casual sex for cash, a joint study by Kenya's government and U.N. children's charity UNICEF reported late last year. Up to 3,000 more girls and boys are in full-time sex work, it said, some paid for the "most horrific and abnormal acts."
"PREYING ON POVERTY?"
Emerging alongside this black market trade -- and obvious in the bars and on the sand once the sun goes down -- are thousands of elderly white women [you go, granny] hoping for romantic, and legal, encounters [yeah, right, they're not gigolos] with much younger Kenyan men.
They go dining at fine restaurants, then dancing, and back to expensive hotel rooms overlooking the coast. "One type of sex tourist attracted the other," said one manager at a shorefront bar on Mombasa's Bamburi beach. "Old white guys have always come for the younger girls and boys, preying on their poverty ... But these old women followed ... they never push the legal age limits, they seem happy just doing what is sneered at [er-what they use to sneer at] in their countries."
Experts say some thrive on the social status and financial power that comes from taking much poorer, younger lovers [no, perish the thought].
"This is what is sold to tourists by tourism companies -- a kind of return to a colonial past, where white women are served, serviced, and pampered by black minions," said Nottinghan University's Davidson [jealous that she can't break away from her research to join them, perhaps].
"LIVE LIKE THE RICH"
Many of the visitors are on the lookout for men like Joseph. Flashing a dazzling smile and built like an Olympic basketball star, the 22-year-old said he has slept with more than 100 white women, most of them 30 years his senior [forget the NBA draft].
"When I go into the clubs, those are the only women I look for now," he told Reuters. "I get to live like the rich mzungus (white people) who come here from rich countries, staying in the best hotels and just having my fun" [beaching the whales].
At one club, a group of about 25 dancing men -- most of them Joseph look-alikes -- edge closer and closer to a crowd of more than a dozen white women, all in their autumn years [lovely euphemism].
"It's not love, obviously. I didn't come here looking for a husband," Bethan said over a pounding beat from the speakers. "It's a social arrangement [no, it's not exploitation]. I buy him a nice shirt and we go out for dinner. For as long as he stays with me he doesn't pay for anything, and I get what I want -- a good time. How is that different from a man buying a young girl dinner?" [good question; ask the feminists] |
Think this grey tide will make its way ashore here in Korea someday?  |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well it's true that it's mutually beneficial. It doesn't seem like anyone is getting exploited here right?
It's kinda odd but I don't find anything against it (though a lack of a condom is pretty retahded). |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well it's true that it's mutually beneficial. It doesn't seem like anyone is getting exploited here right?
It's kinda odd but I don't find anything against it (though a lack of a condom is pretty retahded). |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
Well it's true that it's mutually beneficial. It doesn't seem like anyone is getting exploited here right?
It's kinda odd but I don't find anything against it (though a lack of a condom is pretty retahded). |
Yup. Its consensual. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Fishsoup:
You mean Russian Roulette? 
To posters thus far:
I think you're all missing my point, which is that suddenly it's o.k. to do this if you're a Western woman but God forbid if a Western man would resort to the same behavior for the same motives. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Fishsoup:
You mean Russian Roulette?
To posters thus far:
I think you're all missing my point, which is that suddenly it's o.k. to do this if you're a Western woman but God forbid if a Western man would resort to the same behavior for the same motives. |
Western men do this kind of thing all the time ever been to Pattaya.
I don't see how this kind of behavour runs contrary to feminism regardless whether its a woman or man. If they are two consenting adults
exchanging money for intimacy what's the big deal
I don't see the hairy armpit hippy dippy girls who hang around Kho San road and criticise the men on Patpong and Nana plaza as being feminists.
They're just closed minded hippies. |
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bizrandom
Joined: 23 Oct 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Whats good for the goose.......
Sex trades will never end. I just think that sex with kids.... uggh thats a defective gene.... erradicate it!! |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: ONCE YOU GO BLACK...WHITE WOMEN IN THE AFRICAN SKIN TRAD |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| For decades, middle-aged white women bemoaned their husbands and ex-husbands interest in much younger, mostly Asian women. Why, it was sinful, dastardly, and downright indecent. Anglo women from Britain and Australia had been particularly irrate over the spread of the contagion known as yellow fever. And then, too, were the feminists, decrying the exploitation of the vulnerable of their gender. Along came the postcolonialists who raised the spectre of neo-colonialism when describing the flesh trade in places like Thailand and the Philippines. |
What in the hell are you talking about??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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To posters thus far:
I think you're all missing my point, which is that suddenly it's o.k. to do this if you're a Western woman but God forbid if a Western man would resort to the same behavior for the same motives. |
When I was about 20 I went to the Phillipines and I remember seeing lots of ugly old men with beautiful young girls. I remember this one guy who was married to a young women in her early 20s. She was beautiful and intelligent, and she clearly despised her British husband. You could see it in her face as she watched him talking to us. He made her sick. He was sixty odd, and proudly showing her off, like a trophy. And then he really made me laugh. He was complaining about a German woman in her 50s who was toying with an young Phillipino man. He thought it was disgusting. An old woman with a young man. It just wasn't right. And as the old hypocrit went on and on about this, I remember his wife looking at him with disdain. She was probably enduring her marriage to this prat to assist her family. He was too much of a w@nker to even realise it.
I don't disapprove of consenting adults of either gender prostituting themselves. They're poor and it's they see it as a means to an end. If we were poor, we might do the same. I just think it's disgusting when the prostitutes are underage or coerced.
I can't imagine doing it myself, but I don't judge the tourists for paying for company, so long as they pick up a local who is ready and willing, and not being pimped out. It's nobody's business but the two adults involved in the business transaction. If they're both getting something out of it, that's great. But I do feel embarrassed for these dreadful sex tourists when they convince themselves that their 'painted lady'/gigolo is in love with them. Ha! Like that awful British man with the unfortunate young wife.
I have some Kashmiri friends in Chang Mai. One of them likes to read fortunes. Young Thai girls seek him out hoping that written in their fortune is an old white man! Why? It's a great life. He comes over for a few months of the year, and sets her up in a nice house. Got plenty of money to keep her in style. He's not too horny at his age and doesn't bother her too much. And while he's away she can play with her real boyfriend. And the old bloke has some pretty company and a warm bed when he's around. Nice arrangement - so long as he's not silly enough to believe she's in love with him. I don't see any problem with an old rich woman doing the same thing with a gigolo, if they're both happy with it. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
To posters thus far:
I think you're all missing my point, which is that suddenly it's o.k. to do this if you're a Western woman but God forbid if a Western man would resort to the same behavior for the same motives. |
When I was about 20 I went to the Phillipines and I remember seeing lots of ugly old men with beautiful young girls. I remember this one guy who was married to a young women in her early 20s. She was beautiful and intelligent, and she clearly despised her British husband. You could see it in her face as she watched him talking to us. He made her sick. He was sixty odd, and proudly showing her off, like a trophy. And then he really made me laugh. He was complaining about a German woman in her 50s who was toying with an young Phillipino man. He thought it was disgusting. An old woman with a young man. It just wasn't right. And as the old hypocrit went on and on about this, I remember his wife looking at him with disdain. She was probably enduring her marriage to this prat to assist her family. He was too much of a w@nker to even realise it.
I don't disapprove of consenting adults of either gender prostituting themselves. They're poor and it's they see it as a means to an end. If we were poor, we might do the same. I just think it's disgusting when the prostitutes are underage or coerced.
I can't imagine doing it myself, but I don't judge the tourists for paying for company, so long as they pick up a local who is ready and willing, and not being pimped out. It's nobody's business but the two adults involved in the business transaction. If they're both getting something out of it, that's great. But I do feel embarrassed for these dreadful sex tourists when they convince themselves that their 'painted lady'/gigolo is in love with them. Ha! Like that awful British man with the unfortunate young wife.
I have some Kashmiri friends in Chang Mai. One of them likes to read fortunes. Young Thai girls seek him out hoping that written in their fortune is an old white man! Why? It's a great life. He comes over for a few months of the year, and sets her up in a nice house. Got plenty of money to keep her in style. He's not too horny at his age and doesn't bother her too much. And while he's away she can play with her real boyfriend. And the old bloke has some pretty company and a warm bed when he's around. Nice arrangement - so long as he's not silly enough to believe she's in love with him. I don't see any problem with an old rich woman doing the same thing with a gigolo, if they're both happy with it. |
You can take the girl out of the bar. But you can't take the bar out of the girl |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| [I have some Kashmiri friends in Chang Mai. One of them likes to read fortunes. Young Thai girls seek him out hoping that written in their fortune is an old white man! Why? It's a great life. He comes over for a few months of the year, and sets her up in a nice house. Got plenty of money to keep her in style. He's not too horny at his age and doesn't bother her too much. And while he's away she can play with her real boyfriend. And the old bloke has some pretty company and a warm bed when he's around. Nice arrangement - so long as he's not silly enough to believe she's in love with him. . |
Like they say "There's no fool like a old fool"
That said it would be simple for one of these guys to ascertain her true feelings for him. Simply hire a local PI to shadow her for a couple of weeks after he leaves. Have the photographs mailed to his overseas address. Guess the illusion's more preferable than the truth. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure I saw a documentary a while ago about similar goings-on in Jamaica. Older, lonely white women going purely with the intention of having a holiday romance with a strapping young Jamaican lad. Not too sure if hard cash was actually exchanged or if it was just gifts. Personally, I don't see the harm in it.
OP said:
I think you're all missing my point, which is that suddenly it's o.k. to do this if you're a Western woman but God forbid if a Western man would resort to the same behavior for the same motives.
Generally speaking, women have similar capabilities when it comes to "sexual deviance." If both parties are happy and no-one's getting hurt, then all power to them. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Goes to show women have the same desires as men. Also women don't have a monopoly on the moral high ground. I wonder how many of these women tourists are married?
Oh well, on the bright side, they are providing jobs for the locals. And I doubt it is too demeaning or insulting for the African guys. I mean, they are guys ...whose job it is to have sex. How horrible could it be for them? (guess it depends on the lady)
There was a pretty good French movie on this topic (sorry, forgot the name now). Come to think of it, it portrayed the whole thing in a pretty negative light, with all kinds of pimps and debtors around, etc. The main characters lover actually ends up getting shot. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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An Asian male expat. living in America wrote this:
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What's your impression of American women?
I know, it's a huge population, and everyone is an individual.
But let us indulge and generalize a little here.
I fly a lot, and I come across many flight attendants on U.S.
airlines who can be grannies. Many of them are. Why do they
work till their twilight years? One from Continental is
70, and she has worked for the same airline for 50 years!
Wow! And her story and picture were on the welcoming page
of the onboard magazine. She's still flying and serving
passengers.
This morning, I stopped at one traffic light and saw a group
of above middle-aged medical staff (their clothing says
all) crossing the road, on their way to work. All were women,
showing signs of stress and overwork, not a smile. I smiled
at them and gave them a saluting gesture.
Are American women hardworking and overworked? I think
so. Many of them are mothers and grandmothers, and many
of them are also single moms making ends meet. Some of the
grandmothers have to care for their grandchildren, as
the mothers have to work and support the family. It is a well
known fact in the U.S. that there are more deadbeat dads
than there are moms. Mothers are usually saddled with the
burden of raising the children. And if there are joint custody
issues, crime statistics indicate men are more likely
to kidnap the children than women. And violence towards
women have risen, especially with reported and unreported
domestic abuse cases.
American women have proven to be resilient and resourceful,
despite the odds stacked against them. Now that more American
men are turning towards overseas to look for younger women,
I wonder what goes on in the mind of the average middle-aged
American woman? Does she feel abandoned? Betrayed? Independent?
Empowered? Or does she feel free and loose from baggage
that she finds annoying and hard to drag along? That is,
after spending years loving her man, giving him children,
raising them, and getting the shaft when she starts showing
signs of aging and streaks of stubborness thru' motherly
experience. Is she under-appreciated? I think so.
My hats off to the American women, and women out there.
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Sure he says American women, but it can always be substituted for 'Western women.' I think he's spot on! |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| Then along came tourism to Asia by single and divorced white younger white women, often with a genuine interest in Asian culture (like those of the opposite gender, for whom they seldom acknowledged legitimate motives). Before you knew it, there were white women dating and sleeping with Asian men and commenting on their remarkable gentleness in a manner that few among them felt was also exoticizing the Other. |
Where are you getting this information? You make it sound like it's even-Steven: Hey, look women do it too! In the big picture, there's a tiny percent of white women dating and sleeping with Asian males as compared with white men who date and sleep with Asian females.
And this article you have about Kenya, hmmm, it's about a few women. You blow this whole story up to make it sound like millions of women are out paying to have sex with exotic males. Just because a few women do this, doesn't mean it's the norm. Nor does it justify the massive trend of white males who abandon their wives and children back home for younger Asian women. |
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