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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:46 am    Post subject: Multi-vitamins Reply with quote

i was wondering if anyone knew where to buy multi-vitamins, like Centrum? or something similar

does the red door in itaewon usually have them? i went there on sunday, but forgot to look Rolling Eyes
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winterwawa



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The international clinic in itaewon has a vitatim shop. Anything and everything you need you can get there.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterwawa wrote:
The international clinic in itaewon has a vitatim shop. Anything and everything you need you can get there.


thanks, do u know roughly where that is/?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Costco has them and they aren't that expensive
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winterwawa



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad-ish wrote:
winterwawa wrote:
The international clinic in itaewon has a vitatim shop. Anything and everything you need you can get there.


thanks, do u know roughly where that is/?


Actually I do, but I forgot the exit number. It is on the same side of the street as the Hamilton Hotel. So after exiting the subway, walk on the same side of the street as the Hamilton, but walk away from the main part of itaewon (if that makes sense). It is about 300-500 meters from the subway exit.

I don't know about Costco. I just recently bought a membership there, but I haven't done much in the way of shopping there yet. Don't remember the price of the vitamins I got, but I don't think they were all that expensive.
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TEFLPRAHA



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everyone,
Costco brand vitamins, and Centrum, score very poorly. In the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements they range from 0-1.5/5.
If you want high quality, you can register as a customer at www.nutriceuticals.usana.com. Then, you call the Korean number (toll free from your cell phone) and have them shipped to you. Takes a day or 2 to arrive. Those vitamins score 5/5. The author of the book evaluated over 1500 brands. Only 4 got a 5/5. He spent something like $35,000 per high scoring brand to run disintegration and purity tests each of the high scores, who consented to being tested.
If you need any help registering, email me. [email protected]
Hope that helps!!
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TEFLPRAHA wrote:
Hi everyone,
Costco brand vitamins, and Centrum, score very poorly. In the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements they range from 0-1.5/5.
If you want high quality, you can register as a customer at www.nutriceuticals.usana.com. Then, you call the Korean number (toll free from your cell phone) and have them shipped to you. Takes a day or 2 to arrive. Those vitamins score 5/5. The author of the book evaluated over 1500 brands. Only 4 got a 5/5. He spent something like $35,000 per high scoring brand to run disintegration and purity tests each of the high scores, who consented to being tested.
If you need any help registering, email me. [email protected]
Hope that helps!!

I had a look at them and they do look pretty good but are very expensive.

Out of curiosity, how do the Puritan multivitamins (Green Source) do on that scale? I believe they'd score high and are much more affordable, even with the shipping from the US.
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TEFLPRAHA



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
TEFLPRAHA wrote:
Hi everyone,
Costco brand vitamins, and Centrum, score very poorly. In the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements they range from 0-1.5/5.
If you want high quality, you can register as a customer at www.nutriceuticals.usana.com. Then, you call the Korean number (toll free from your cell phone) and have them shipped to you. Takes a day or 2 to arrive. Those vitamins score 5/5. The author of the book evaluated over 1500 brands. Only 4 got a 5/5. He spent something like $35,000 per high scoring brand to run disintegration and purity tests each of the high scores, who consented to being tested.
If you need any help registering, email me. [email protected]
Hope that helps!!

I had a look at them and they do look pretty good but are very expensive.

Out of curiosity, how do the Puritan multivitamins (Green Source) do on that scale? I believe they'd score high and are much more affordable, even with the shipping from the US.


Hi there,
Puritan's Pride Green Source score 2/5. There are many "Puritan" formulas listed, ranging from 0-3.
They are expensive, it's true ~ but they are one of only 4 out of the 1500 brands evaluated to get the highest score. And each raw ingredient is tested for toxins and purity. Tested again during manufacturing, and afterwards too. So you can trust that there are 0 toxins, and what is on the label is in the pill.
Many companies don't tell you the actual amount of an ingredient either. For example, Calcium. Calcium is bound with something else in tablet form. Many companies will state the amount in it's combined form, not the actual Calcium you get. Something to be aware of.
You pay for what you get with Usana. The best ingredients, and the best manufacturing process.
Also, there's no purchase requirement - but if you do order regularily, you save 10% in North America, and about 15% in Korea.
They're also listed in the Physician's Desk Reference.
But yes, they certainly are more expensive than brands like Kirkland or Centrum. And I will trust you about Puritan. I've no idea their cost.
Once again, I hope I gave you some useful info. "Food for thought" Wink So to speak.
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idonojacs



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but vitamins are vitamins.

If you were to go to a biology or chemistry department at a good university, you would find a catalog for bulk chemicals, including vitamins. There, you would get pure vitamins, not in pills. But that's what they put in pills. A few chemical companies make the vitamins in pure form, sell them to the vitamin pill manufacturers and they put them in the binder etc for pills or capsules and sell them to you.

I seriously doubt a company like Usana makes their own vitamins as chemicals. You would need a whole bunch of chemical plants to do this. Also, they are not in Korea, so you would still have to pay shipping and duty.

I suspect the tests you are referring to refer to the rate at which the tablet dissolves. This is an old ploy to get people to buy very, very expensive vitamins. If you want to find out whether a tablet dissolves well, start by putting one broken in half in a glass of water. You need to break them because most are enteric coated, which would not dissolve in water. But the vitamin is going to go into Hcl, stomach acid, so I doubt it will not dissolve.

Every vitamin, at least in the U.S., will list the amount of the actual ingredient, such as calcium, if you read the label correctly.

I glanced at some back posts by this poster, and they seem to have a lot of stuff that would mislead the gullible or uninformed. Just about anything you put in your mouth in the U.S. is regulated in some way, including vitamins. They aren't as regulated as prescription medicine, but you can't just throw anyting in a tablet and claim they are something they aren't. I have never seen undigested vitamins in the toilet. Kernels of corn, sometimes, vitamins, no. And how would sewage plant operator know they were vitamins? What a bunch of nonsense. I have heard all of these claims about a dozen times before, always from multilevel marketers, starting with Amway, hawking overpriced vitamins.

The Costco vitamins in the States are fine. I've been using them for years. But I also get some other stuff.

The Costco vitamins in Korea suck (this ain't Uncle Sam's Costco). They are a whole different mix. Vitamin E is in 200 iu tablets, and are expensive. Vitamin A, 200 tablets, about 20,000 won (I am going from memory, as I did not buy them) -- but they are healthy for your eyes, the label says. All vitamin A is healthy for your eyes. It is perhaps the cheapest vitamin you can buy in the States -- a similar bottle there would cost about $2. Here it is second only to vitamin C for being expensive. You can easily spend 50,000 won for a medium size bottle of vitamin C here at someplace like Lotte that would cost less than $10 back in the States. Koreans desperately need vitamin A; it is found naturally in liver, but I have yet to see any liver of any sort or form here.

So if you are coming to Korea, bring a year's supply of vitamins. And as for herbal supplements, they are non-existent where I am, which is not-Seoul Korea.

But, if you are already here, the Costco multivitamin blend is about as good as you are going to find here, pricewise. EMart wants about 20,000 won for a small bottle of mutivitamins with an incomplete mix of about 8 vitamins.

Why are vitamins in Korea so ridiculously expensive, and why are they so rare? Do Koreans actually think they are getting all their vitamins from their paltry diet? Is the white rice at least vitamin enriched, like it is in the States? I doubt it. And if it is, it wouldn't matter if they wash the rice before cooking it.


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NightSky



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

idonojacs wrote:
Why are vitamins in Korea so ridiculously expensive, and why are they so rare? Do Koreans actually think they are getting all their vitamins from their paltry diet?


Well, they are big believers in kimchi as cure-all as you no doubt know. However, I've seen vitamins being plugged on the shopping channels here, with pictures of the typical Korean child and man's daily diet...it was kind of funny, actually. A bunch of ajumas sitting around tsk-tsking over the fact that their children might be having nothing but snacks and toast-uh and hambuhguhs on a day to day basis, and their husbands nothing but soju and samgyeopsal. So that's why they were recommending you buy Centrum. It was pretty funny actually!
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idonojacs



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is pretty funny.

I guess these things take time. We have to remember where Korea was 50 or even 20 years ago. Perhaps the marketplace can help educate them.

I'm not saying vitamins are the answer to everything, but I can't imagine how the typical Koean diet, especially of modern kids, could have all the vitamins and trace minerals they need. Taking vitamins isn't going to hurt them, and it could help these kids grow up healthier, and adults stay healthier.

Heck, we might see fewer kids with colds if they took vitamins, especially vitamin A, which is vital for healthy lungs and skin in general. Eyes are a relative minor part of this vitamin's role. Vitamin A and selenium are very important for avoiding infectious bugs like the cold and flu.

I just did a quick search, and see that vitamin a is also found in oily fish, like mackerel, which I see plenty of cans of here. So maybe they are getting some.

http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydiet/nutritionessentials/vitaminsandminerals/vitamina/

And now that I think of it, sweet potato is a good source of beta carotene. So I may be overstating the problem.

On the other hand, when I checked the data from a U.S. site, I found that 100 grams of canned mackerel only has 433 iu of vitamin A, less than one-tenth the minimum daily requirement of 5,000 iu.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

Sweet potatoes, on the other hand, can provide three times the mdr:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

But not everyone can convert the vegetable form of vitamin A, beta carotene, into the usable form.

The bottom line on the vitamin question is that Americans in the 60s today look more like Americans in their 30s or 40s, 50 or 70 years ago. I think vitamins are one of several reasons people look younger and feel younger as they age these days.

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Well, they are big believers in kimchi as cure-all as you no doubt know. However, I've seen vitamins being plugged on the shopping channels


I've seem more home shopping programs for glucosamine, which happens to be the antidote to the damage caused by the red peppers in kimchi, though Koreans don't realize this.
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Komichi



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does OneSource rate on the scale? It has plenty of Selenium, Chromium, and even Ginseng.
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TEFLPRAHA



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

idonojacs wrote:
Sorry, but vitamins are vitamins.

If you were to go to a biology or chemistry department at a good university, you would find a catalog for bulk chemicals, including vitamins. There, you would get pure vitamins, not in pills. But that's what they put in pills. A few chemical companies make the vitamins in pure form, sell them to the vitamin pill manufacturers and they put them in the binder etc for pills or capsules and sell them to you.

I seriously doubt a company like Usana makes their own vitamins as chemicals. You would need a whole bunch of chemical plants to do this. Also, they are not in Korea, so you would still have to pay shipping and duty.

I suspect the tests you are referring to refer to the rate at which the tablet dissolves. This is an old ploy to get people to buy very, very expensive vitamins. If you want to find out whether a tablet dissolves well, start by putting one broken in half in a glass of water. You need to break them because most are enteric coated, which would not dissolve in water. But the vitamin is going to go into Hcl, stomach acid, so I doubt it will not dissolve.

Every vitamin, at least in the U.S., will list the amount of the actual ingredient, such as calcium, if you read the label correctly.

I glanced at some back posts by this poster, and they seem to have a lot of stuff that would mislead the gullible or uninformed. Just about anything you put in your mouth in the U.S. is regulated in some way, including vitamins. They aren't as regulated as prescription medicine, but you can't just throw anyting in a tablet and claim they are something they aren't. I have never seen undigested vitamins in the toilet. Kernels of corn, sometimes, vitamins, no. And how would sewage plant operator know they were vitamins? What a bunch of nonsense. I have heard all of these claims about a dozen times before, always from multilevel marketers, starting with Amway, hawking overpriced vitamins.

The Costco vitamins in the States are fine. I've been using them for years. But I also get some other stuff.

The Costco vitamins in Korea suck (this ain't Uncle Sam's Costco). They are a whole different mix. Vitamin E is in 200 iu tablets, and are expensive. Vitamin A, 200 tablets, about 20,000 won (I am going from memory, as I did not buy them) -- but they are healthy for your eyes, the label says. All vitamin A is healthy for your eyes. It is perhaps the cheapest vitamin you can buy in the States -- a similar bottle there would cost about $2. Here it is second only to vitamin C for being expensive. You can easily spend 50,000 won for a medium size bottle of vitamin C here at someplace like Lotte that would cost less than $10 back in the States. Koreans desperately need vitamin A; it is found naturally in liver, but I have yet to see any liver of any sort or form here.

So if you are coming to Korea, bring a year's supply of vitamins. And as for herbal supplements, they are non-existent where I am, which is not-Seoul Korea.

But, if you are already here, the Costco multivitamin blend is about as good as you are going to find here, pricewise. EMart wants about 20,000 won for a small bottle of mutivitamins with an incomplete mix of about 8 vitamins.

Why are vitamins in Korea so ridiculously expensive, and why are they so rare? Do Koreans actually think they are getting all their vitamins from their paltry diet? Is the white rice at least vitamin enriched, like it is in the States? I doubt it. And if it is, it wouldn't matter if they wash the rice before cooking it.


Well, we'll just have to disagree.

All vitamins are not the same. Some are synthetic versions. Some come in forms that are more harmful than others, or have better bioavailability, etc.

I did not state "I seriously doubt a company like Usana makes their own vitamins as chemicals. You would need a whole bunch of chemical plants to do this. Also, they are not in Korea, so you would still have to pay shipping and duty. "
In fact, Usana only buys the best raw ingredients. They've built their own plant, and manufacture in-house, to ensure quality. Each ingredient is quarantined for 3 weeks upon arrival, and then tested for impurities before being used in the products.
For example, here's info about their calcium:

"We appreciate your recent inquiry. The calcium used in our products is generally mined and purified from limestone.

We conduct many tests on the raw materials we use, as well as on the finished products to ensure purity and safety. Among other testing, we use HPLC, ICP, FTIR and GC for quality control purposes. We perform the proper testing and screening procedures to assure that the raw materials are pure and contain no unintentional compounds (pesticides, heavy metals, organic contaminants, manufacturing contaminants, etc).

Best regards,

USANA Science Information Services"

And YES, Usana IS in Korea. It has been for 3 years. Shipping on orders over 60,000 is free. Products are labelled in Korean, too. The Korean head office is in Gangnam.

As for the regulations. Most vitamins are regulated the same way food is. Usana voluntarily manufactures to pharmaceutical standards. The SAME as prescription medicines. Not many companies do this voluntarily.

I have tried putting the tablet in water, without breaking it in half. Though, you are right - HCL will have a different effect. But I've read in some scientific journals about pills not dissolving before. Incidently, Costco Formula Forte was one of the ones tested, and failed both tests done on it.

You mention Amway (Nutrilite)- they score 0.5/5.

Your point: Every vitamin, at least in the U.S., will list the amount of the actual ingredient, such as calcium, if you read the label correctly.
My response:
Due to its relatively high reactivity, calcium is rarely found in its elemental (or pure) state in nature. Similarly, you cannot buy pure calcium; it is always combined with another harmless element to make it less reactive. During digestion, your body breaks this combination of calcium and other elements apart to make the calcium available for absorption.

What this means is that a 500 mg calcium supplement tablet may not be 500 mg of calcium, but rather a mixture of calcium and some other element. The actual amount of usable calcium in a supplement is called elemental calcium.

USANA labels list only the elemental amount of calcium per tablet.

I do agree with you that vitamins are expensive. Especially pharmaceutical grade. But you get what you pay for. And I also agree with you about the Korean diet, heavy on white rice. And have you ever paid attention to how closely crops are grown to the highway. Ingesting all that pollution certainly won't help our health.

So, Usana won't fit everyone's budget. I just wanted to help inform that there are top quality supplements available here.

Oh, and for anyone taking fish oils - you might want to ask the company if they remove the heavy metals from their products. I have written to the Vitamin Shoppe to ask about their testing procedures, but I had no response for 2 weeks, and after writing a second time, I got the "run around".

You mention Vitamin A, as well. Depending on what form you ingest, it can be toxic at certain levels. And RDI's are the minimum amount of something to keep you from getting sick. Not the optimal levels.

anyways, I will leave you with that.
Have a great day!
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TEFLPRAHA



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Komichi,
One Source - it depends on which one. If you can be more specific, I'll look up the one you use.
Otherwise, I can tell you that they list 6 OneSource products, 4 score 0.5 and 2 score 2/5.
Cheers,
teflpraha
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the store.
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