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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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malarky. once again, the folks who throw around the "race" card don't know what the heck they are on about.
how does offending the sensibilites of a religious person = "racism"? it doesn't. muslims are of every ethnicity.
every boy who is mohammed and has his picture in the yearbook should get beat down for impiety? or his parents?
this whole incident is simply ignorance stacked up incompetence stacked up intolerance. the least culpable of all is ms. gillian.
in sixth months when the judge who let her off "easy" is found dead don't act surprised. |
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skookum
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From al Jazeera:
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| "Robert Boulos, of Unity High [where she taught], said: "It's a very fair verdict, she could have had six months and lashes and a fine, and she only got 15 days and deportation," adding they would not appeal the decision. |
What level of support would you get from your boss if you found yourself in a roughly similar situation in Korea? |
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mrsquirrel
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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malarky. once again, the folks who throw around the "race" card don't know what the heck they are on about.
how does offending the sensibilites of a religious person = "racism"? it doesn't. muslims are of every ethnicity.
every boy who is mohammed and has his picture in the yearbook should get beat down for impiety? or his parents?
this whole incident is simply ignorance stacked up incompetence stacked up intolerance. the least culpable of all is ms. gillian.
in sixth months when the judge who let her off "easy" is found dead don't act surprised. |
Islamaphobes got to love them |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know
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Did you actually read the news article? The complaint came from a secretary who works at the school. How pathetic and low can you get...rather than explain to the teacher that she needs to change the name..she reports to the police and files a complaint.
Yup..every single person is jerk these days. I am surprised the secretary didn't sue the teacher for mental distress or some other stupid thing. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Some intrigue & oddities to the whole nutty fiasco
How many MILLION Mohammeds are there?
15 days in jail for Christ's sake, all because of naming a god-damned teddy-bear!
What's wrong with this PC picture? |
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icicle
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Some intrigue & oddities to the whole nutty fiasco
How many MILLION Mohammeds are there?
15 days in jail for Christ's sake, all because of naming a god-damned teddy-bear!
What's wrong with this PC picture? |
Especially so when it seems to have actually been named by a student not by the teacher ... And he decided to call the bear that because it was his own name ... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| The linked article shows more ignorance. Not all Muslims are offended by representations of their prophet. Some mosques, very old ones at that, have paintings of Muhammed on their walls. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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I think this is one of those rare instances where detaining and deporting a person is more for the accused AND country's benefit. They can't very well find her innocent and release to the general public and begin teaching again. The uproar in Sudan would develope to such an extent that someone or some people may take the Islamic law into their own hands and kill her. THEN the world would be in an uproar and Sudan in a load of trouble.
Charging her and finding her guilty is the only way Sudan can take her into protective custody and insure her safety and get her out of the country quickly without the risk her being killed. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| They need to behead the little Sudanese brats who named the bear. |
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ED209
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I think the bear is the true victim in all of this. Where is he now? What have they done to him? |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Some intrigue & oddities to the whole nutty fiasco
How many MILLION Mohammeds are there? |
Personally, I think we should stone all the Mexicans named Jesus. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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malarky. once again, the folks who throw around the "race" card don't know what the heck they are on about.
how does offending the sensibilites of a religious person = "racism"? it doesn't. muslims are of every ethnicity.
every boy who is mohammed and has his picture in the yearbook should get beat down for impiety? or his parents?
this whole incident is simply ignorance stacked up incompetence stacked up intolerance. the least culpable of all is ms. gillian.
in sixth months when the judge who let her off "easy" is found dead don't act surprised. |
Islamaphobes got to love them |
please elaborate where one perceives "Islamopobia" in my statement. did "ignorance" or "incompetence" or "intolerance" connote fear in your estimation? if so, please forgive. i think ALL religious folks are ignorant rubes. and maybe, just maybe...we should fear intolerant, ignorant and incompetent bullies.
dear god...save me from the folks who hurt others so that they may feel closer to you.
peace. |
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Samantha
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Location: Jinan-dong Hwaseong
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Here's the latest in the in this fiasco  ,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_re_af/sudan_british_teacher
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Calls in Sudan for execution of Briton
By MOHAMED OSMAN, Associated Press Writer <----I wonder if his parents got in trouble for this???
6 minutes ago
Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."
The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.
They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.
"Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted.
They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."
The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the square.
Several hundred protesters, not openly carrying weapons, marched about a mile away to Unity High School, where Gibbons worked. They chanted slogans outside the school, which is closed and under heavy security, then marched toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks away from the embassy.
The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group.
Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes � but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.
A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.
"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.
"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.
Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.
"He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release," spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.
Most Britons expressed shock at the verdict by a court in Khartoum, alongside hope it would not raise tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain.
"One of the good things is the U.K. Muslims who've condemned the charge as completely out of proportion," said Paul Wishart, 37, a student in London.
"In the past, people have been a bit upset when different atrocities have happened and there hasn't been much voice in the U.K. Islamic population, whereas with this, they've quickly condemned it."
Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, accused the Sudanese authorities of "gross overreaction."
"This case should have required only simple common sense to resolve. It is unfortunate that the Sudanese authorities were found wanting in this most basic of qualities," he said.
The Muslim Public Affairs Committee, a political advocacy group, said the prosecution was "abominable and defies common sense."
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the world's 77 million Anglicans, said Gibbons' prosecution and conviction was "an absurdly disproportionate response to what is at worst a cultural faux pas."
Foreign Secretary David Miliband summoned the Sudanese ambassador late Thursday to express Britain's disappointment with the verdict. The Foreign Office said Britain would continue diplomatic efforts to achieve "a swift resolution" to the crisis.
Gibbons was arrested Sunday after another staff member at the school complained that she had allowed her 7-year-old students to name a teddy bear Muhammad. Giving the name of the Muslim prophet to an animal or a toy could be considered insulting.
The case put Sudan's government in an embarrassing position � facing the anger of Britain on one side and potential trouble from powerful Islamic hard-liners on the other. Many saw the 15-day sentence as an attempt to appease both sides.
In The Times, columnist Bronwen Maddox said the verdict was "something of a fudge ... designed to give a nod to British reproof but also to appease the street."
Britain's response � applying diplomatic pressure while extolling ties with Sudan and affirming respect for Islam � had produced mixed results, British commentators concluded.
In an editorial, The Daily Telegraph said Miliband "has tiptoed around the case, avoiding a threat to cut aid and asserting that respect for Islam runs deep in Britain. Given that much of the government's financial support goes to the wretched refugees in Darfur and neighboring Chad, Mr. Miliband's caution is understandable."
Now, however, the newspaper said, Britain should recall its ambassador in Khartoum and impose sanctions on the Sudanese regime.
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Associated Press writers Jill Lawless, David Stringer and Kate Schuman in London contributed to this report. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| "Ignorant Brit or innocent mistake?"? If you can even ask that then you can't have bothered to read the story. Obviously innocent. |
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