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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AMENDMENT XVI
Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 9, of the Constitution was modified by amendment 16.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
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lucas_p



Joined: 17 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
I have an American friend who lives in Korea but makes money off the Web. The money is deposited into his U.S. account and he uses a U.S. billing address. Is my friend subject to U.S. taxes even though he lives abroad?


Yes, if he makes more than $600 a year from it, he should file ...can remember the number, but he should file the self-employment form.
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skeeterses



Joined: 25 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be honest. I haven't paid any Income taxes or filled out any tax forms since I left America almost 3 years ago. My guess is that a lot of hagwons deduct the taxes automatically from the paychecks, just like employers do back in America. So whether you fill out your tax forms or not, you most likely pay taxes anyway.

Another hunch I have is that if my hagwon is not taking taxes out of my paycheck, the IRS is not bothering to chase me down, since the amount of taxes that I'd owe as a part time English teacher would not be enough for them to go through the trouble. The IRS is probably more interested in frying bigger fish like the Ken Lays and the Jeff Skillings who have multimillion dollar accounts in Switzerland.
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peter07



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skeeterses wrote:
I'll be honest. I haven't paid any Income taxes or filled out any tax forms since I left America almost 3 years ago. My guess is that a lot of hagwons deduct the taxes automatically from the paychecks, just like employers do back in America. So whether you fill out your tax forms or not, you most likely pay taxes anyway.

Another hunch I have is that if my hagwon is not taking taxes out of my paycheck, the IRS is not bothering to chase me down, since the amount of taxes that I'd owe as a part time English teacher would not be enough for them to go through the trouble. The IRS is probably more interested in frying bigger fish like the Ken Lays and the Jeff Skillings who have multimillion dollar accounts in Switzerland.


You're not alone, many people don't file and have no problems. Even if you do, you have under one percent chance of getting audited.
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RJjr



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a bill this month from the IRS for $20,088.58 because I didn't report a securities loss in 2005. I'm still working on getting that worked out with them.
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freshking



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
For Americans, you don't get taxed for anything UNDER $70,000 per annum.


I was under the impression that there was roughly an $80,000 limit and that it was $80,000 total and not per annum. I hope you're right though. If you had a link on this issue I'd love to check it out.[/b]
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dogshed



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

freshking wrote:
lastat06513 wrote:
For Americans, you don't get taxed for anything UNDER $70,000 per annum.


I was under the impression that there was roughly an $80,000 limit and that it was $80,000 total and not per annum. I hope you're right though. If you had a link on this issue I'd love to check it out.[/b]


Read carefully through my post. Most teachers will not pay any US taxes
for their salary hear, but the devil is in the details and most of the posts
on this thread have the details wrong.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skeeterses wrote:
My guess is that a lot of hagwons deduct the taxes automatically from the paychecks, just like employers do back in America. So whether you fill out your tax forms or not, you most likely pay taxes anyway.


You're adorable if you think paying taxes in Korea correlates at all to filing taxes in America. Do you think world governments all share info with each other to make your life easier? You could pay a trillion dollars worth of taxes in Korea, and it doesn't mean shit unless you're filing taxes in the US as well.

Wow... you have a BA, right? How does someone graduate from a degree-granting institute and not apparently understand that paying Korean taxes doesn't affect what you have to pay in your home country...
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lastat06513



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it WAS about $75,000 back around 2003.
But now it is around $85,700 (as of TY06).
But one of the above posters is right, you won't make anything above that figure working in Korea......Saudi Arabia maybe, but not Korea Wink


And if people are so worried about filing, just print it out and complete the form....if I could do it, you obvious can fill out the form too, am I right? Wink
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slow_life



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Oh else what? I know guys who havent filed in 20 years.. Reply with quote

To answer that question, I discovered that if those guys do return to the states in the future and begin filing tax returns, a big red flag pops up on the IRS computers........like, where have they been for 20 years? So, you get hauled in, interrogated and when they discover you worked overseas and didn't file, the IRS will demand reports for annual income and calculate those taxes plus there are fines and interest that accumulates on those past due taxes (15% I'm told)..........in other words, anyone who is too lazy to fill out a tax return each year is also stupid. It's not worth the risk.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I discovered that if those guys do return to the states in the future and begin filing tax returns, a big red flag pops up...........


Not the case.....
I didn't file for 2002 thru 2005 until I got home, downloaded the appropriate forms for those appropriate years, then I filled out Tax form 2555 for those years, and sent them off along with an untranslated copy of my tax statement from Korea (to show that I was paying taxes there instead) to the IRS and never heard from them since. Started paying again for TY06 where I got an earned income credit of $300...yay! Very Happy
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dogshed



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
Quote:
I discovered that if those guys do return to the states in the future and begin filing tax returns, a big red flag pops up...........


Not the case.....
I didn't file for 2002 thru 2005 until I got home, downloaded the appropriate forms for those appropriate years, then I filled out Tax form 2555 for those years, and sent them off along with an untranslated copy of my tax statement from Korea (to show that I was paying taxes there instead) to the IRS and never heard from them since. Started paying again for TY06 where I got an earned income credit of $300...yay! Very Happy


http://taxation.lawyers.com/If-You-Havent-Filed-Your-Taxes-In-Years.html
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It didn't happen to me or to anyone else I know who had been outside the US for a certain amount of time.
As long as I filed something to show I did, I was in the clear, no questions asked, not even by the IRS.....
Tax form 2555 is pretty much just an accountability form to show that you were outside the country because most of the time, in the eyes of the feds, you are being taxed by the host government in the place you work.

I think the website is intended more for people like businessmen who purposely stay outside the US to evade paying taxes on the millions they make each year on their businesses. But for the average ESL teacher that makes on average about $45,000 (and that is a conservative estimate based on an institute job in a place like Dubai), filing a Tax form 2555 before the end of the 36-month grace period would suffice......

How do I know this?
Let me just say it is good to have close relatives who are CPAs Wink
No need to depend on a decrepit website Very Happy
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skeeterses



Joined: 25 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
skeeterses wrote:
My guess is that a lot of hagwons deduct the taxes automatically from the paychecks, just like employers do back in America. So whether you fill out your tax forms or not, you most likely pay taxes anyway.


You're adorable if you think paying taxes in Korea correlates at all to filing taxes in America. Do you think world governments all share info with each other to make your life easier? You could pay a trillion dollars worth of taxes in Korea, and it doesn't mean *beep* unless you're filing taxes in the US as well.

Wow... you have a BA, right? How does someone graduate from a degree-granting institute and not apparently understand that paying Korean taxes doesn't affect what you have to pay in your home country...

To be honest, I don't understand the tax system in America. And neither does anyone else on this board. The entire tax code of United States has enough books to fill an entire library. And then there's probably a thick book in there dedicated to the taxation laws concerning Americans working abroad.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woland wrote:
First, you do have to file every year, regardless of whether you will owe money or not.

If I file and owe no taxes, do I still get my Social Security credits?
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