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New E2 Visa Law: Doesn't sound like a problem.
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laconic2



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Wonderful World of ESL

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: New E2 Visa Law: Doesn't sound like a problem. Reply with quote

BTSskytrain wrote:
O-K, so big deal. Teachers will have to fly to their home country for a silly interview. 99% of all employers pay for a flight home after completing a contract so what's the problem? The ticket to the home country is paid for. Furthermore, if a teacher re-signs for another year with the same school, that school will undoubtedly pay for the trip back to Korea to do the second year. If the teacher decides not to re-sign with the same school for another year but rather sign with a different school, the teacher's new school will undoubtedly pay for the ticket back to Korea. Seems pretty cut and dried to me unless there's a piece of the puzzle missing of which I am unaware.

The only people really affected will be those newbies who would rather not be hired from abroad and choose to fly to Korea (on their own dime) on a tourist visa and hit the pavement seeking work. Once they land a job then what? Fly back to their home country? On who's dime? No employer in their right mind is going to fly somebody from Korea back to their home country before the teacher has done any work.

Got any ideas?


Yes, I have one.

You're not making any more sense here than you are on ajarn.com.

You sound like a recruiter scared to death that you're not going to have enough warm bodies to fill an ever expanding number of Korean vacancies.

If so, that's the one thing you're correct about. Wink
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Rae



Joined: 10 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: i actually agree Reply with quote

BTSskytrain wrote:

while i think i made my opinion clear regarding unqualified teachers in korea, this wasn't the main point that i was trying to make. furthermore, my main point was never to suggest that unqualified teachers right out of college shouldn't take advantage of what korea has to offer. in fact, i think it's a smart thing to do. my main point WAS to suggest that teachers in korea have been handed everything on a silver platter. Now that the E2 visa process is getting a little more complex and inconvenient, many teachers are starting to get a taste of what the real world job search can be like. Thousands of people have had to jump through significantly more hoops to land a good job. I think the whining is simply immature and a waste of time. The rules of the game are going to change and believe me, the people who run with the ball are going to come out ahead while the crybabies are going to be left in the dust.


I don't usually respond to these kinds of posts here but I have to point-out the fact that NORMAL jobs in the real world don't require this much bullshit. I can only speak for Americans - here companies compensate for training and travel! Even if a seminar is required, they pay for all costs. What back-alley are you from where people have to literally murder for a decent job? Nothing else would make sense to explain why you would think that sending $1,000 PLUS travel time and expenses (hotel, gas, transportation, multiple visits to the doctor, police station, university) is NORMAL in the real world.
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading through this thread I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand there most definitely needs to be something to make applying to work in Korea a lot stricter. In a lot of cases Korea has been a magnet for people to come and make a buck regardless of whether they can teach or not. Where else in the world will hire you just because you're a westerner, seems to be open to abuse this.

If you were to take a teaching job elsewhere you would have an infinitely harder interviewing and screening process, is this why Korea is a popular destination for teachers because there isn't this hassle? Isn't this what the proper teachers and expats here want. Weed out the lameoids who do see it as an easy jaunt. If teaching in Korea is considered such a 'joke' shouldn't the Government take steps to adjust this.

I understand from the people who have been here a while that this process is gonna be a pain in the ass , but until it's 100% clarified and in practice we'll just have to wait and see. Implementing a policy like this can't take effect at the snap of the fingers.

When I applied I had to submit my police check, I had my medical done here. All that I didn't have done was the notarising of my degree, but I have my original here and my CELTA cert.

I got asked again for where I graduated from and if I had any teaching experience, this week by my co-teacher. The funny thing was after I explained that this is the third time, my co-teacher (who I have a good friendship with) explained that the Office of Education will look at it for two seconds and then throw it away. He said he was embarrassed to keep asking me, but he's just following orders. You shouldn't shoot the messenger. He explained that they'll send him a fax asking him to do it, because the Department of Education tells him to. But they don't keep these records, until they rather absent mindedly ask again. Gross incompetence from the higher echelons is what is causing alot of the grief. Even if they implement this unpopular policy, I doubt they're going to be doing it anytime soon. Expect a lot of goof ups.

I wonder what will happen when I re-sign for my school next year. Surely I won't need to fly back to England to have an interview.
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drizzt048



Joined: 03 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting your interview done at a consulate is complete BS. I'm sure that consulates don't have anyone qualified to determine your teaching ability from an interview, and I bet they don't even have near the manpower for this. Plus it's expensive for those who don't live near consulates. Flying back to your own country just to get your visa renewed is completely unnecessary.

A police check and medical check I have no problem with, and a police check should be required. But if they require us to get them from and notarized in our home country, it should only have to be done once. If you renew or change your visa, getting a Korean police check should be good enough. I have no problem with more hassle and paperwork for my first job if immigration can actually keep records of everything so we only need to do it once, but having to fly halfway around the world every year just to get the same documents is complete BS.

Luckily for me, I wasn't planning on coming back after my next contract expires anyway.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: boo hoo Reply with quote

BTSskytrain wrote:
just want to say thanks for all the comments and insults. true colors were shown and the results of my original post came just as expected. some valid replies and points well taken but in general the crybabies came out of the woodworks.

go figure. right out of college korea offers an opportunity for someone to jump right into a job making very good money without actually even being qualified. never taught a day in your life? no problem.no education degree? no problem. no actual teacher certification (and please, a 4 week TEFL cert. isn't worth the paper its printed on in "real world" of education)? NO PROBLEM! You're hired. Can you start tomorrow? Oh, and by the way not only will we give you a job for which you're not qualified to do, but we'll also give you........

- free round trip airfare
- a free, single, furnished apartment
- a very good salary ( i saved $15,000 my first year in korea )
- cheap utility bills
- cheap health insurance
- a pension plan that will yield you 100% on your contribution
- one month's bonus pay upon completion of contract

ain't gonna find that package in the U.S. right out of college.

korea has finally decided to raise the bar (it was bound to happen) in order to bring in better teachers and the whining and moaning starts. so you might have to shell out your own cash for a flight, rearrange your vacation plans to pi pi island, actually have an interview to get the job, god forbid. sounds like many of those who have replied to my original post haven't spent much time in the real world.

Grow up!



It is truly a very good thing that you were able to save 15,000 $ because if the law passes you might have to spend a huge chunk of that on getting a new Visa.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long will the police checks take? Korean hagwons that seem to want a teacher last Tuesday are never going to be able to handle the months+ for the police check. And then the value of a local hire becomes meaningless. You have to fly them home, fly them back to Korea and then fly them home at contract end. And I'm sure the consulates are going to be fully staffed for interviews. There won't be no waiting list for that, eh.

And I can imagine these interviews being something like the parole hearing in Raising Arizona.

Quote:
PAROLE BOARD ROOM

Hi and the same three officers.

CHAIRMAN: Got a name for people like you, Hi. That
name is called recidivism.

SECOND MAN: Ree-peat 0-fender.

CHAIRMAN: Not a pretty name, is it, Hi?

HI: No Sir, it sure ain't. That's one bonehead name.
But that ain't me anymore.

CHAIRMAN: You're not just tellin' us what we wanna
hear?

HI: No Sir, no way.

SECOND MAN: 'Cause we just wanna hear the truth.

HI: Well then I guess I am tellin' you what you wanna
hear.

CHAIRMAN: Boy, didn't we just tell you not to do that?

HI: Yessir.

CHAIRMAN: Okay then.
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BTSskytrain



Joined: 11 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject: finished Reply with quote

i'm done. take good care and i'll see ya at the consulate.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: finished Reply with quote

BTSskytrain wrote:
i'm done. take good care and i'll see ya at the consulate.


Not if I see you first. Wink
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buymybook



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:43 am    Post subject: Re: my case is rested Reply with quote

BTSskytrain wrote:
metsuke rests my case. the real idiots always do seem to hang themselves if given enough rope.

he says, "your an idiot".

the teacher at his 4 week TEFL course must have skipped the lesson on cotractions.

it's ok metsuke. you can have another few days to study for your spelling test. oh, and don't forget "your" pencil.


I have not ever(maybe once in a similiar situation) corrected someone's English. BUT, when the OP went on about metsuke's grammar and spelling while at the same time not knowing what a contraction is
AND/OR how to spell it, then the OP definitely has a PROBLEM!

Someone help me here, it's not "cotractions" is it? DuuuuuuuH
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Tony_Balony



Joined: 12 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi - I'm still pretty angry over the fact the K's want a diploma. The West doesn't use diplomas to verify degrees any longer and hasn't for a long time.

Thats why they have a fake problem. They are relying on our junk and discards but they want to stubborn about making sure the diplomas are good. "Diplomas are important to Korea". I can understand that but that doesn't elevate the document's credibility in any way. Its still legal junk. No US uni, junior college, trade or technical school asks for diplomas when doing business. Perhaps in the 3rd world but not in the US. Every minute we spend on collecting diplomas is a complete waste of time 100% without exception. Its a sheer act of waste.

I'm actually a bona-fide legal expert and every single US criminal and civil law judge will testify to that. I have a degree in the field, plus credentials and have almost done this work professionally. I didn't do it professionally because the work clerical and tedious and comes with low pay and like esteem.

Regardless, this is the background...
http://www.msspnexus.com/msspn_vital.htm
http://www.msspnexus.com/

Maybe its time for a letter to the editor.
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potin14p



Joined: 04 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugh, these new visa plans are screwing up my plans big time. I was planning on handing in my notice this week, working until February, and then changing to a uni job, with a quick visa run to Japan. no no, now i'm stuck in my crappy piece of sh*t job, and i can't even afford to just do a runner.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: finished Reply with quote

BTSskytrain wrote:
i'm done. take good care and i'll see ya at the consulate.


If you are done, then why will we see you at the consulate? Or did you make a typo and you wanted to say dumb?
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: finished Reply with quote

Kwangjuchicken wrote:
BTSskytrain wrote:
i'm done. take good care and i'll see ya at the consulate.


If you are done, then why will we see you at the consulate? Or did you make a typo and you wanted to say dumb?


I guess you shut up that liar. Way to go Chicken. Laughing
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Five? I count four: Canamerica, Austrazealandia, Englireland, and Safrica.

Laughing
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

potin14p wrote:
ugh, these new visa plans are screwing up my plans big time. I was planning on handing in my notice this week, working until February, and then changing to a uni job, with a quick visa run to Japan. no no, now i'm stuck in my crappy piece of sh*t job, and i can't even afford to just do a runner.
My school is good and I am re-signing, but even if it was crap, I'd still re-sign, just to avoid all this hassle. The OP must not mind hassle. I like dealing with people in offices just as least as possible. They are ijits. Rolling Eyes
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