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xanderspuppy
Joined: 01 Dec 2006
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That's the site I was given the link to when I first heard about this apostille stuff - turns out it's old as it's not �12 any more per document, but �27. Don't know if it's just a fluke the UK page is out of date or if the whole site is pretty dated. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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So according to this, if I want to renew within the public school system, I can avoid all this BS? Am I reading this right?
I'm not so sure I want to do that, it all depends what next year's contract will look like. If they are going to expect me to work all kinds of extra classes for the same salary....I think they should already know my response.  |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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No need to crow that you have an F visa. Yes probably salaries will rise and F visa types will have an advantage, but there's no need to brag about it. Get some discretion. |
I was reading on Marmot's Hole the other day about this issue. One point that was made was in regard to "policy creep." Just how long do you think it will be before F-2's will have to provide home country CRC's and medical reports? All it will take is another news report about innocent Korean women being abused by evil foreign husbands and you'll see the F-2's and F-5 have to jump through some of the same hoops during issuance (F-2/F-5) or renewal (F-2) of the visa.
I also see F-2's being required to play this game if they want to teach anywhere.
If shooting yourself in the foot was an Olympic sport, Korea would get the gold medal every time. |
Not going to happen. Most people on F2s are not teachers or people who could be English teachers. They are wives from China, Vietnam, Mongolia, the Phillipines, etc. Changing the F2 process would hurt Korean marriage rates for the men as there is a shortage of available Korean women. F2 visas will not be made more difficult to get unless they change visa types so women apply for one kind of visa and men another.
If the gov't wants to regulate the teaching industry new policies will have to come from the MOE, not immigration. As many have said these new messures to clean up the English industry are not what is needed. The education office has to get off their a$$e$ and do some work and seeing as that is never going to happen the industry is going to continue to have problems and deadbeat teachers. |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
So according to this, if I want to renew within the public school system, I can avoid all this BS? Am I reading this right?
I'm not so sure I want to do that, it all depends what next year's contract will look like. If they are going to expect me to work all kinds of extra classes for the same salary....I think they should already know my response. |
that's how i'm reading it. actually i'm reading it that we won't have to show anything ever again even if we 'transfer' jobs/visas, but i think i might be hallucinating because that doesn't sound right. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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Does that mean that the teachers who jump though all these hoops will be officially verified non-alcoholics, non-druggies, certified teachers? Will the TV specials now end? Will we (as foreigners) finally be seen in a positive light? Will I be able to walk down the street with my gf and havve ajoshis actually smile at me (and her)?
I can dream, can't I? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| KWhitehead wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
So according to this, if I want to renew within the public school system, I can avoid all this BS? Am I reading this right?
I'm not so sure I want to do that, it all depends what next year's contract will look like. If they are going to expect me to work all kinds of extra classes for the same salary....I think they should already know my response. |
that's how i'm reading it. actually i'm reading it that we won't have to show anything ever again even if we 'transfer' jobs/visas, but i think i might be hallucinating because that doesn't sound right. |
What I'm thinking is that no matter what the regulations are, this is still going to be subject to interpretation by individuals at different immigration
offices. So who knows what it really means?
I half way expecting there to be a backlash against these new rules by the hagwan owners associations, that is if they ever pull their heads out of their backsides long enough to figure out what this will do to them. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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So if I can manage to get my E2 processing/application thingie done in the next week or so, I won't have to worry about this for a whole year. That's what I'm reading here.
Now, whether a trip to the consulate will be worth it if I don't get the processing done in time... I don't know. As expensive ($500-ish) and inconvenient (at least an entire day of my life gone) as it is, I really don't have the time to wait around for them to realize that part is idiotic.
Assuming I can earn $2000 in January in Korea, and $1000 at my current lousy "waiting to go overseas" job, it is really not worth it to wait. The people crowing over how this will discourage people from coming to Korea haven't done the math. Maybe they've done their own math, but other people have different equations. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| That is assuming you WILL get your visa done and everything is acceptable. What happens if you get here and they tell you, "oh your CRC isn't appostillized correctly, you have to go back". Then what? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Typhoon wrote: |
| If the gov't wants to regulate the teaching industry new policies will have to come from the MOE, not immigration. As many have said these new messures to clean up the English industry are not what is needed. The education office has to get off their a$$e$ and do some work and seeing as that is never going to happen the industry is going to continue to have problems and deadbeat teachers. |
So an F visa would only have to go through Ed. Office requirements... not Immi's? That's kind of what I figured. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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I foresee a rise in international marriages.
I doubt hagwons will die out - there are a number of us who hold F2s and F5s, and there are those gyopos, too. We will just be hot potatoes, which will drive salaries up. |
No need to crow that you have an F visa. Yes probably salaries will rise and F visa types will have an advantage, but there's no need to brag about it. Get some discretion. |
Actually, to clarify - I have one main job and a few privates. I do not foresee myself going out and working part time in a hagwon now or in the future.
WE, in this sense, really excludes me because I spend a lot of time with my daughter.
Sorry if I seemed big-headed. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: NEW E2 VISA LAWS! HERE THEY ARE |
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| Aussiekimchi wrote: |
Enjoy!.
Sorry they took some time to translate..as you can see it is quite lengthy.
General feeling: I think we outstayed our welcome!
If you have any questions, email me at ESL PLANET.
New E2 Visa Reforms
The reason for changing the visa laws for E-2 visas
The number of ESL teachers who break the social laws in Korea are getting more severe.
- 2007.9.5 KBS 2TV program exhibited an expose on native (English) teachers; drugs, fake degrees.
- Due to the recent pedophile search by Interpol and that teacher having taught English in Korea, there is much concern about native English teachers.
- The issuance of E2 visas with regard to the qualifications of teachers and their social conduct in Korea has become an issue.
- A system of protection must be implemented so that sexual criminals, unqualified teachers, and drug addicts do not come into contact with students.
Ⅱ. Changes to the System
- When applying for an E2 visa, a criminal background check and medical health report must be submitted.
- After arrival in Korea, applicants must get a medical health report from an approved government hospital, public health clinic, or general hospital.
- After an applicant has filed for an E2 visa at an embassy/ consulate, the applicant must have a personal interview.
- Applicants who have been issued an E2 visa in the past or have been verified to have certified documentation will be issued an E2 visa faster.
Changes to the Application Process
1. Criminal Background Check
To prevent applicants with convictions for drug offences or sexual offences from entering the country, a criminal background check must be submitted.
Issuers of Criminal Background Check and Expiration Date
- Only local, provincial/ state, or federal government law enforcement agency issued checks will be accepted.
- The criminal background check must have an apostille*.
※ The countries that do not have an apostille agreement with Korea, (like Canada and China), will have to submit the criminal background check for verification at the applicants closest consulate/ embassy.
Applicants in Korea must receive the criminal background check from the applicants� embassy in Korea. The notarization or seal becomes unnecessary.
- The criminal background check is only valid within 90 days/ 3 months of the E2 visa application.
- Standards for the screening for E2 visa
- Any applicant who has any kind of criminal record will not be issued an E2 visa.
What is an Apostille?
An Apostille or postil is a seal applied by the Department of State to authenticate a document in a foreign country in order to assess the authenticity of an official signature. The Apostille is recognized as form of an international notary seal. An Apostille can be used if both countries (the country issuing the document and the country in which the document will be used) are part of the international "The Hague Apostille Convention".
2. Medical Health Report
A medical health report is necessary for an E2 visa to protect Korean citizens from applicants who test positive for narcotic drugs, communicable diseases, HIV/AIDS physical and/or mental ilnesses.
After entering Korea, applicants must submit themselves to a medical check at an approved govt. hospital public health clinic or general hospital.
Medical Health Report Process
Process When submitting an E2 visa application. ⇒ When registering for alien registration card.
Needed Documents Self Medical Report Korean Health Medical Report
Applicant Teacher Issued by an approved government hospital, public health clinic, or general hospital
Self Medical Report
- After an applicant submits the self medical report to the school, the report must then be submitted with all other documents by the school when applying for the E2 visa.
Korean Health Medical Report
- After receiving the E2 visa the applicant must go to an approved government hospital, public health clinic, or general hospital and submit the report to the immigration office.
※ After an applicant receives their alien registration card, the applicant must submit the Korean Health Medical Report within 3 months/ 90 days.
- Korean Medical Report Contents
A narcotic drug test, TBPE test, 카니비노이드(I have no idea what this is, nor could I find out) test, AIDS/ HIV test
- The applicant must be notified of the following:
� After arrival in Korea and receiving an alien registration card, the applicant must submit themselves to a physical health test at the above mentioned approved places and submit the report to immigration.
� If the health report is not submitted within the 3 months/ 90 day period, test positive for drugs, alcoholism, or communicable diseases, the E2 visa will be cancelled and the applicant will be deported to their home country.
- If the self medical report is positive for any history of narcotic drug use, HIV/ AIDS, or communicable diseases, then an E2 visa will not be issued.
- If the health report is not submitted within the 3 months/ 90 day period, test positive for drugs, alcoholism, or communicable diseases, the E2 visa will be cancelled and the applicant will be deported to their home country.
3. University Degree and Documents
To verify a document above an undergraduate degree, at least one of the following methods will be used:
- the original degree (after a copy of the original has been verified, stamped and filed, the original will be returned)
- the copy degree (must be verified by the Korean consulate in the applicants home country or through the Korean University Education Union/ Community)
- documented proof from the issuing university (by Apostille or by Korean educational verification methods)
- (the following is strange, it is the same as a letter of achievement issued by the university; documented proof with verification methods the same as above)
-- once an applicant goes though this verification method to get an E2 visa, this process does not have to be repeated in the future
- The sealed transcripts sent by the university to immigration will remain the same.
If the document is verified through the Korean educational verification method, the process will be as follows:
* The applicant�s school must submit the documents to the Korean University Education Union/ Community to be verified.
* If it is verified, the information will be inputted into the Korean Immigration Database.
* Therefore the applicant�s information will be in the database and easy to retrieve.
Changes to the Visa Process in Korean Embassy Abroad
1. C4 English Camp Visa
All C4 visa applicants must submit a Criminal Check
Applicants with a degree higher than an undergraduate degree must include at least one the following:
- the original degree (after a copy of the original has been verified, stamped and filed, the original will be returned)
- the copy degree (must be verified by the Korean consulate in the applicants home country or through the Korean University Education Union/ Community)
- documented proof from the issuing university (by Apostille or by Korean educational verification methods)
- (the following is strange, it is the same as a letter of achievement issued by the university; documented proof with verification methods the same as above)
-- once an applicant goes though this verification method to get an E2 visa, this process does not have to be repeated in the future
- The sealed transcripts sent by the university to immigration will remain the same.
If the document is verified through the Korean educational verification method, the process will be as follows:
* The applicant�s school must submit the documents to the Korean University Education Union/ Community to be verified.
* If it is verified, the information will be inputted into the Korean Immigration Database.
* Therefore the applicant�s information will be in the database and easy to retrieve.
Criminal Background Check
- Process for submitting a criminal background check for a C4 visa will remain the same as an E4 visa with details in P-2.
2. E2 Visa Process and Application
All new applicants must have an interview at a consulate
In general, all applicants must submit the E2 visa application to the Korean embassy/ consulate in their home country.
Any applicants who qualify within any of the conditions below can apply for an E2 visa at Korean embassy/ consulate of a third party country.
- applicants with a past history of an E1 visa (university professor), E2 visa (English instructor), E3 visa (academic research/ student visa), with no history of breaking Korean law
- a member of the Korean University Education Union/ Community that verifies academic qualifications
Consulate interview
Your E2 visa will only be issued after a successful interview.
Applicants Requiring a Personal Interview
- In general, all applicants for an E2 visa require a personal interview.
Applicants that qualify to submit an E2 visa application in a third party country may/ may not be required to have a personal interview.
※Any applicants who qualify within any of the conditions below can apply for an E2 visa at Korean embassy/ consulate of a third party country.
- applicants with a past history of an E1 visa (university professor), E2 visa (English instructor), E3 visa (academic research/ student visa), with no history of breaking Korean law
- a member of the Korean University Education Union/ Community that verifies academic qualifications
Interview Questions and Process
- personal interviews will be conducted using the interview questions listed below (Consul�s Checklist for E2 Applicant)
- if the Korean embassy/ consulate deems that the applicant lives an unreasonable distance to be physically present for a personal interview, a web cam interview via the internet will be substituted
If the interviewer at the Korean embassy/ consulate deems the applicant is not suited for an E2 visa, the issuance of a new E2 visa will be denied regardless of the applicants past history.
Ⅲ. Minimizing the Impact of the New E2 Visa System
Applicants who currently have verified qualifications will experience a faster and easier processing of their visa in the future.
- it is possible that applicants can submit an application from a third party country Korean consulate/ embassy and even forgo the interview process
- teacher in possession of an E2 visa (E1,E3) now or in the past will no longer need to submit documents for verification
To compensate for the deficit of human resources in Korea due to the new regulations, the existing qualified foreigners will be given more flexibility within the system.
- Korean immigration laws will become more flexible by allowing more than one workplace and type of work (immigration law 20, 21).
Reduce the inconvenience of having to return to their home country to receive a new E2 visa.
- To avoid the inconvenience of having to return to an applicant�s home country to receive an apostille for a criminal background check, a criminal check issued by the applicant�s embassy/ consulate in Korea will be accepted.
- Instead of receiving an apostille for an applicant�s degree, a document of verification from the Korean University Education Union/ Community will be accepted.
Ⅳ. Government Sponsored Native Teachers� Visa Changes
The basic rules for attaining an E2 visa apply, except that an applicant can apply for a visa from a third party country. Personal interviews will be at the discretion of the embassy/ consulate.
Teachers who were issued an E2 visa before the changes, working in an elementary, middle, and high school are no longer required to submit a criminal background check or health report (but must submit an HIV/ AIDS, drug, TBPE, and 카니비노이드검사 test), when renewing, extending, or transferring their visa.
In the situation where teachers were in the process of being hired by a school principal shall follow the same protocols prior to when the new visa changes came into effect.
Ⅳ. Outcome for Applicants Who Were Being Processed During the Changes
All applicants that were being processed for an E2 visa before the time of change shall follow protocols prior to the changes.
Teachers that qualify in the list below who are currently in Korea that wish to extend, transfer, or renew their visa will be required to submit a criminal background check and Korean health medical report.
- teachers currently working in Korea with an E2 visa prior to the new visa changes
- applicants currently in Korea changing to an E2 visa after the new visa changes
Ⅴ. Punishment for Violators
A constant check will be put upon teachers to ensure no one violates the immigration laws. Illegal teaching, sexual offenders, and drug abusers will be deported and barred from entry into Korea for a time period.
Private schools that hire illegal teachers shall receive more sever penalties. Private schools that hire illegal teachers shall be reported to the board of education and private school licensing board which will make running the business difficult.
Sexual offenders, drug addicts, and alcoholic teachers that cause social problems in Korea will be blacklisted. This list of offenders will be posted by the Ministry of Justice and sent out to the educational centers and Korean hogwan union. These offenders will be barred from entry into Korea.
If you have any questions regarding the new E2 visa changes or visa application call the phone number at the Minsity of Justice, Immigration Division or your local Immigration Office.
02 500 9116/8 |
Do you have the link for this? If it is in Korean it might be easier to make sense of some of the more ambiguous points. (for Korean speakers that is) |
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South Jeolla Blues
Joined: 27 Nov 2007
Location: Namyangju, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: You can find the Korean original here: |
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First go here: http://www.immigration.go.kr
Then, click on this: 개정된 회회지도(E-2)자격 사증제도 안내
You will find the guidelines in their Korean original here in this filename:
회화지도강사에 대한 사증 발급지침 개정안내.hwp
Unfortunately, if you don't have Hangeul Word Processor, you won't be able to read them. |
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wilsonslacker
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
Location: Guri, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: Where is link to this translation? |
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Where is this translations coming from? My hagwon wants to read the Korean version.
We're trying to renew my contract.
I just got my diploma Apostille done by an appostile service http://www.apostilla.com It was fairly painless. I printed out their form and mailed that with the original diploma to them. They got it done within 24 hours. The Apostille & original are beening sent via FedEx directly to the hagwon. The price is high: $200, but this includes all government fees and FedEx. However, unless you went to a univerisity in the States they can't help you.
I did the criminal check when I was home in the States. It was easy. It cost $45. I just put my fingers on the scanner machine at my local State Police department office. The results were instant, but the notarized letter arrived a couple weeks later at my house in the States. They would only send it to the address on my drivers license.
But, now I'm not sure. At first, the Delaware State Police told me when I arrived for my appointment that a criminal background check wasn't required for a Korean Visa. They had looked up the the requirements. (Delaware has a low crime rate, the police have a lot of time on their hands). I told them that the requirements had changed and the English translations aren't up-to-date yet. Then they asked me if it wasn't just the employer being cautious. They weren't totally sure what to do. In the end, they decided to prepare it the same way as they would for a local public school in Delaware.
The report/letter is notarized by the police and sealed in an envelope. The seal on envelope is notarized that the seal hasn't been tampered with. They told me don't open it. If get's opened it void. This seems to work just like sealed transcripts. I totally believed what I was beening told.
Now, I have read it needs an apostille. I also read new articles that make no mention of this. Is the apostille really required?
So if it's void if it's the seal is broken, then how in the world could a get an apostille?
Is it ok the way it is?
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| My wife and I own a hagwon. Our local hagwon association held a meeting this morning and were talking about this. They were leaning towards getting all their members to change their contracts to the airfare reimbursement method that public schools use so if someone is rejected, then it won't cost them a dime, and the applicant will have to pay to get themselves home. No decision was made at the meeting but that was the most popular option. |
If you do that, you might get less applicants. Instead, why weren't you talking about pressuring Immigration to get rid of or ease these new rules? |
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SHANE02
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: New Visa requiremnets Qs. |
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