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If we have it bad sometimes with Korean bosses...
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bejarano-korea



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: If we have it bad sometimes with Korean bosses... Reply with quote

This computer won't let me paste the link... but an interesting article anyway.



The South Korean Model of Labor Repression


THE KOREAN INVESTMENT drive in Guatemala is based on a brutal system of labor control which closely resembles the repressive industrial relations found in Korea. Korean managers claim their repressive management techniques are necessary to teach Guatemalan workers - the majority of whom are young women - the "work habits" of Korean employees. A Korean official explains, "They [Guatemalan workers] have their own work habits but we have Korean habits and discipline. For example, Guatemalan workers must learn to show up on time, work as long as necessary and be obedient to their superiors. The job of Korean technicians is to train Guatemalan workers in Korean habits and discipline. Soon, most Guatemalan workers will be working according to our discipline and work habits."
A manager of Korean-owned Ace International in Guatemala City claims that the worker behavior which most troubles his staff is the excessive time employees spend in factory bathrooms. He attributes these visits to irresponsible behavior and laziness, adding, "I don't understand why they would want to use them [the bathrooms] anyway. They smell so bad. I am disgusted by them." A Guatemalan supervisor at the factory offers some insight into why the workers spend time in the bathrooms: "After a Korean supervisor scolds and humiliates a worker, she runs to the bathroom to cry and regain her composure."

Disobedience, broadly defined as any divergence from management's dictates, is categorically prohibited in Korean factories. For Korean managers, regimentation depends on total conformity; every command, no matter how trivial, must be followed to sustain the system. A Guatemalan manager at the Korean-owned Modas Del Este garment assembly factory points to the rigidity of this policy: "We even lose good workers because of disobedient behavior. If a worker fails to follow a supervisor's command, she will go, no matter how productive."

Conformity is achieved through progressive punishment and extreme pressure to produce. The severity of punishment generally increases with the cost and/or frequency of the offense. If a worker turns to speak to a neighbor, a Korean supervisor may yell at her to return to her proper position. Or, if nearby, the supervisor may place his hands on the worker's shoulder and roughly guide her back into place. Some supervisors routinely rap workers heads with their hands and knuckles for such minor acts of misconduct. The line between these relatively innocuous punishments and more violent and humiliating ones is easily and often breached.

"Misconduct" that is often met with more serious punishment includes eating at the work station, repeated talking or movement, or a sewing mistake. Most frequently, supervisors scream at the offender, calling her stupid or slow. In most Korean factories, each day at least one or two operators endure a supervisor's wrath while her peers look on. "When a supervisor yells at a worker, they do it at her worktable," says a worker. "The rest of us just pray we are not the next one."

Korean supervisors and managers also regularly practice corporeal punishment against workers. While physical punishment is most commonly reserved for the most serious offenses, it is not unusual for supervisors to strike workers for routine errors. For example, some workers report that supervisors grab or shake an employee's neck or hair if she is caught talking for a second or third time. Other supervisors slam sticks on the workers hands, or throw pieces of cloth in workers faces. In one factory, workers report that female Korean supervisors squeeze workers breasts as punishment.

The Korean system of labor control also involves a relentless pressure to produce. Explains one female worker, "They holler, 'Faster, faster!' ' Make haste' They push us. How can I understand their language? I try to explain that I don't understand their explanations. They just keep yelling,' Faster, faster' but we are human beings, not robots that simply work faster by pushing a button."

Organized workers pose the only serious threat to Korean-style production. On at least a half dozen occasions, enraged by working conditions and abusive treatment at a Korean factory, workers approached trade unions for representation. However, on each occasion, a union failed to materialize. The Korean Ambassador Wung-Sik Kung openly admits that the Guatemalan government "arranged" the settlement of several of these disputes.

-K.P.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they don't like working for Koreans then why do they?
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bejarano-korea



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
If they don't like working for Koreans then why do they?



Laughing


I say the same thing myself sometimes Spliff! Rolling Eyes
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is that article from?
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be hard to believe were it not for the fact that the way the factory workers are treated is so similar to how Korean students are treated.
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DaeguKid



Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
If they don't like working for Koreans then why do they?


You know what the saddest thing about you is? Is that your avatar is actually smarter looking than your comments.

Nuff said
DK
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bejarano-korea



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xtchr wrote:
Where is that article from?


There are two articles about Korean investment and immigration to Guatemala (one of those was the article I copied and pasted) - which is rapidly rising by the year. You can read them for yourself on www.multinationalmonitor.org

I don't think Spliff's comment deserves anything like a serious or intelligent reply, but I will copy and paste another article about
Korean bosses in Buenos Aires Argentina who have been accused of employing and abusing undocumented Bolivian labour.

South Koreans in Argentina
Migration News Vol. 3 No. 1, January 1996


South Korean immigrants are a prosperous community of about 35,000 in Argentina. South Koreans operate more about 1,000 businesses in Argentina, many in the garment districts of Once and Flores. There are about 300 Korean cultural, athletic and business associations, and some 30 Protestant churches with predominantly Korean congregations in the country.

Some Jewish shop owners said that the South Koreans were "taking over." The South Koreans work 12 to 14 hours per day, sell merchandise at low prices, and hire cheap labor from Bolivia.

The first wave of South Korean immigrants to South America went to Brazil in 1961. The South Korean government persuaded Brazil to accept the immigrants, and allowed each to take $40,000 to South America. The second wave of South Koreans came four years later to Argentina, Paraguay, and Chile. From 1965 to 1985, about 6,000 South Koreans emigrated to Argentina and, by 1985, there were 50,000 South Koreans in the Southern Cone nation.

Sociologists say that the South Koreans were successful in Argentina because they shared credit and employment inside large families and because they brought in cheap labor from neighboring countries. A series of newspaper articles published several years ago tarnished the image of South Korean entrepreneurs, who were accused of operating sweat shops with undocumented Bolivians .

The South Koreans charge that their success has led to discrimination against them, aggravated by recession.

Argentinean police broke up a smuggling ring that helped smuggle Chinese and Hong Kong residents through Argentina to Canada and the United States. The illegal immigrants paid about $30,000 dollars each for the voyage. Many of the immigrants were employed in Chinese restaurants while their documents to be smuggled into the US or Canada were prepared. Seventy-five immigrants were captured and between 30 and 40 were deported.

After growing by over seven percent in 1994, economic growth in Argentina slowed to one percent in 1995, prompting the government to crack down on illegal immigrants.
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GoldMember



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea the ends justifies the means, simple as that, however there is only one small precondition. Only if the end benefits Korea or Koreans.
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard before that Latin Americans in general are a little bit lax, especially about meeting timings. So I understand the need to teach them to show up on time. But the total conformity? Sounds way too familiar...
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winterwawa



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
I heard before that Latin Americans in general are a little bit lax, especially about meeting timings. So I understand the need to teach them to show up on time. But the total conformity? Sounds way too familiar...


Ilsanman, I agree that in South American countries time isn't as important as it is to us, but it used to be the same way in Korea. When I first came here, and to some extent, even now, Koreans were always late for appointments. At that time both foreigners and Koreans said that there was "Korean time and American time."

The thing that p***es me off, is that in Korea, foreigners are pressured to act Korean in order to get a long. This is Korea, this is how we do things. That is the common explination for anything that we don't like or understand.

Yet, when Koreans go to another country, they also expect the nationals there to adopt the Korean mind set of how things should be done. Before coming to Korea in 1998, I taught at the ELI attached to my university. When ever a Korean student had any kind of problem at all, they always wanted things sorted out as if they were still in Korea.

"I'm Korean, please understand me."

Is the mantra of all Koreans no matter where they live. When are Koreans going to wake up and realize they are not the center of the universe?
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seoulsucker



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Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterwawa wrote:


Yet, when Koreans go to another country, they also expect the nationals there to adopt the Korean mind set of how things should be done.


Yup. The concept of "globalization" to Koreans is less about opening their culture and society to outside influences and more about shoving all things Korean down everyone else's throats.
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GoldMember



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Korea IS the center of the Universe. Look at any Korean Geography text book, and their it is, Korea at the center of the Universe.
Well planet at least.
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komerican



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but economically advanced people have been taking advantage of economically less advantaged people for a long time now. It�s still going on. The US was built on slavery. Go to certain city neighborhoods in the US now and you'll see ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico and south America and central America standing on main street USA street corners. They're waiting to get illegal day jobs that pay them an exploitive small wage. They certainly don't get any health care. Read a book called "Fast Food Nation" and find out about US multinational corps that employ illegal workers and treat them pretty badly, sexual harassment, abuse, no medical, etc.

If anyone has a plan on how to fix some of these capitalistic excesses then I'd like to know them or are these abuses only interesting when Asians do them?
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GoldMember



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea but..Yadda yadda yadda- typical reaction from a Korean.
Accuse whitey of racism, or the but you people do this line, or you people did this 200 years ago....
Fine do that if you wish, deflect blame. however Korea and Koreans are slowly getting a bad reputation. Blame others for that bad reputation, but it doesn't address the issue. Can it all be racism towards Koreans or is there possibly some grain of truth?
Koreans are not doing a good job interacting on the world stage.
My personal view is that it is due to the Nationalistic and Racist brainwashing that goes on in Korean schools.
Koamerican, if you want to make Korea a better place and I hope you do, and to improve the reputation of Korea maybe you can devote some attention to riding the Nationalistic garbage that is taught in schools in Korea.
Some of your comments are actually very well thought out, this one however, is not one of the better ones.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaeguKid wrote:
spliff wrote:
If they don't like working for Koreans then why do they?


You know what the saddest thing about you is? Is that your avatar is actually smarter looking than your comments.

Nuff said
DK


It's a no brainer, really...what part of my comment did you not understand... Shocked
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