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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: Anthropologically speaking, are Koreans inbred? |
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I'm curious about what others here think. The Koreans place a significant amount of national pride in being purebred's of "one race". I believe they call themselves "the great Han race" or something like that right?
What I don't get, is that they also claim to have been invaded throughout the millenia by countless other peoples. All of these other races would inevitably leave behind their DNA as they raped and pillaged their way across the peninsula right? Engendering the collective national emotion of "Han", that peculiar Korean distillation of pain and misery and endurance.
So, in my mind, I would think that they would actually represent the "mutts" of East Asia.
The Japanese are probably inbred due to their geographic isolation.
The Chinese while mixed still have various racial/ethnic groups.
<Steve, I caught that typo. Too much coffee I guess, thanks for the correction.>
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Although you've posed the question rather ineptly (and misspelled a major word in your subject line), I'll take a stab at it.
Koreans are not East Asians anthropologically but certainly socio-culturally given the persistence of neo-Confucianism here.
Linguistically, the paleolithic people of this peninsula originated on the Central Asian steppes, deriving considerable influence from the Mongols in their eastward migration. This is fairly well documented in the literature. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Linguistically, the paleolithic people of this peninsula originated on the Central Asian steppes |
Sharing the most linguistically with a local language just east of the Urals, overlapping with Hungarian, Finn and Turkish languages, those peoples also having migrated to their present locales from northwestern asia. There is a Korean professor at a Hungarian university and visa versa in an academic exchange to explore linguistic roots.
chaz47 wrote: |
I believe they call themselves "the great Han race" or something like that right?
What I don't get, is that they also claim to have been invaded throughout the millenia by countless other peoples. All of these other races would inevitably leave behind their DNA as they raped and pillaged their way across the peninsula right? Engendering the collective national emotion of "Han", that peculiar Korean distillation of pain and misery and endurance.
So, in my mind, I would think that they would actually represent the "mutts" of East Asia. |
When I first came here I too found it odd that Koreans don't consider the genetic influence of being *beep* by conquering hordes. There is an illusion of racial purity which underpines many cultures: the key is the culture. The children of Korean farmers and Cambodian housewives are still Korean as long as obvious evidence to the contrary is hidden, forgotten, as they are assimilated into Korean culture.
Koreans see Korea as a world unto itself with their own system of rules governing marriage between people of different regions of Korea and family names, believing that to be diversity.
I see pacific islander, vietnamese, chinese, indian, mongolian, japanese influences in various physical characteristics here. Koreans are blind to it, attributing diversity within Korea as inherently Korean, of 'the world' of Korea. Or so it seems. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
The word "inbred" is a medical term exactly like homophobia is. However
the self proclaimed scientists here position themselves to make diagnosis which they should not. Its called "quackery"
If you have some clinical quality proof of inbreeding, set it out. Otherwise silence is a reasonable action. |
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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Nah,
I think all this 'pure race Korean' thing is a load of crap and it is comical to see how blind the Koreans are to the facts.
In my school I have white students (who have white skin, though are ethnically Asian) brown skinned students and students so dark that they look like and could pass for members of my own family, it maybe is because I'm so far down south that you get the differing type of look but I think any basis of their 'pure race' theory is on a shaky wheel at best.
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MarionG
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Tony and I don't agree on much, but I agree with you here. By the way, you've gotten considerably better looking lately... |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Years ago when people lived mostly in the country and small villages who were mostly very poor, I am sure incest occurred, but today, people are very spread out and moving around that it is highly unlikely in the current generation. I would bet that it was very common up until about 20 years ago in Korea. Many of the older people have facial asymmetry, the trademark of an inbred human, while young people here today normally do not. Small adult size is also a common feature which many of the older adults show, while the kids are growing much larger though there are few exceptions where a kid will be smaller and have an asymmetrical face. Asymmetrical faces can often have a contorted shape like dramatized in traditional Korean wooden totem poles.
Incest often occurs in places where the people don't ever go anywhere and live in the country or a small village who are very poor and uneducated. It is still common in parts of the US and Africa as well as many islands around the world.
Korea does not acknowledge the fact that there is genetic diversity composing their race, if you can say that Korea is a race in itself, because it is a mix of the Asian race. I see Japanese, Chinese, Mongol, Thai, Vietnamese, and many varieties of Asian race in people here. I also have noticed Caucasian mixes though they tend to still look more Asian than white.
Korea has a collective mentality of living in a bubble where they are the one pure race that is the best who produces the most nutritious food and where nothing should be questioned in any situation even it is obviously flawed or have problem. This bubble will one day burst. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Three Kingdoms of Korea in the 5th century.
Korea Today:
There seems to be strong evidence that Koreans are primarily of a Chinese mixture. And that North Korea can be considered even more 'pure' considering the fact that few foreigners have been able to get in while 99.99% never get out. Meanwhile, South Koreans have been taking on foreign brides from around the world now for quite some time. As a result, millions of offspring in South Korea are of mixed blood. These numbers are increasing.
Anyhow, this concept of Korea being a pure race is based on cultural chauvinism; something anthropologists have noted is common among all peoples throughout history |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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VanIslander wrote:
as a world unto itself
Ay, there's the rub |
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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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I wasn't trying to pitch any stones per se. I have read that the Icelandic people are the most homogeneous (inbred) people in the world. I was simply wondering if there was some sort of geographical hindrance to migration that I wasn't aware of.
I've always thought the Korean phenotype tended toward a longer torso and shorter limbs. I've also noticed that the their leg muscles often seem highly developed. I seem to remember reading a while back that a significant portion of what became modern Koreans took refuge around a land-locked freshwater lake during the last ice age. The lake kept air temperatures moderate enough that they could survive but they were definitely cut off from outside influences.
Some think that this might contribute to the cultural myth of Dangun. Anyway, a longer torso, shorter limbs with the primary muscles of locomotion being highly developed... to me, these seem like good cold weather adaptations. While not all Koreans possess "moo-dari", radish legs, a good number of them do.
I've also heard that facial asymmetry and lack of height often result from poor prenatal nutrition. This might contribute to the asymmetry and shortness of the older generations.
Since facial symmetry is fundamentally attractiveness, if it is also a factor in an inbred population then I would have to guess that the average Korean is definitely not inbred. Which would affirm my friend's belief that Korean people are some of the most attractive people he's ever met.
I think someone should introduce the term "hybrid vigor" to Koreans and then see what they say about their heritage. Perhaps they might change their unsullied descendants of Dangun tune. |
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superdave

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: over there ----->
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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i read an an article from Seoul National University about a year ago, the crux of the article was that they believe the koreans will soon suffer from numerous genetic problems, which SNU attributes to lack of breeding from outside their own small gene pool.
i'm not trying to say inbred, but that's what the article was suggesting. the fact that korean blood is so pure, it's starting to cause problems in terms of congenital defects.
i'll go and see if i can find the article for reference.
personally, it worries me that half the population is named 'kim'. that, as well as the fact that korean family lineage documents are so often faked with "adoptions" from branches of the family to preserve the male line, i wouldn't be at all surprised to see more problems which can be attributed to the lack of genetic diversity. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:59 am Post subject: |
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chaz47 wrote: |
Since facial symmetry is fundamentally attractiveness, if it is also a factor in an inbred population then I would have to guess that the average Korean is definitely not inbred. Which would affirm my friend's belief that Korean people are some of the most attractive people he's ever met.
I think someone should introduce the term "hybrid vigor" to Koreans and then see what they say about their heritage. Perhaps they might change their unsullied descendants of Dangun tune. |
"facial symmetry" has more to do with genes and proper cell division at the point of conception than with anything else.
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Facial asymmetries and minor physical anomalies begin to appear early in embryonic development, mainly the first trimester of pregnancy, and can be a sign of instability during this growth. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_symmetry
As for height, yes I think it has a lot to do with nutrition and genes both.
Heterosis, outbreeding enhancement, hybrid vigour are all the same. Personally, I like heterosis. Hybrid means when two similar or disimilar species mate and produce a hybrid species. Humans are all of the same species.
About Iceland:
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One such genetics study has indicated that the majority of the male settlers were of Nordic origin while the majority of the women were of Celtic origin.[15] The modern population of Iceland is often described as a "homogeneous mixture of descendants of Norse and Irish Celts" but some history scholars reject the alleged homogeneity as a myth that fails to take into account the fact that Iceland was never completely isolated from the rest of Europe and actually has had a lot of contact with traders and fishermen from many nations through the ages. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland
So I don't think you can say that Iceland is the most homogeneous on earth. Indeed, the country has really only been inhabited by humans for about the past 1000 years. That right there suggests that the population is hardly more homogeneous than Korea which has been populated for what, the past 10,000 years. Big difference there.[/img] |
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Major Kong

Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps the "Human Genome Project" could shed some light on the
subject of all our ancestors. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Major Kong wrote: |
Perhaps the "Human Genome Project" could shed some light on the
subject of all our ancestors. |
Or:
http://www.celera.com/ |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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GoldMember quipped:
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There is something very curious about Koreans, especially women. Koreans naturally have straight hair, yet women in their 40's mysteriously develop curly or wavy hair. They call this process a PURMA. As they get older the hair gets shorter and the curls get tighter.
Maybe this mysterious PURMA process is the result of inbreeding? |
I give this the Michelin five-star approval rating.
But, seriously, what's up with that phenomenon? |
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