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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Not yet.
I will be sorting that out this week.
Basic disclosure got to my folks house fast though - but it's the holidays so it might take a bit longer.
They sent me a letter saying they couldn't find me and could I supply a copy of a bank statement or a bill.
I had one of my statements scanned and sent to me here and emailed them.
Slightly bending the rules but a lot easier than messing about saying I am overseas. |
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Scouse Mouse
Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Location: Cloud #9
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I have a few bits of info to add to this thread:
Disclosure Scotland are not much good. I had one of these done for a job in England. I never sent them any proof of address and I was not on the electoral roll as I had just moved house. They sent a letter asking for proof, so I was waiting for the first month of bills to come through when they went ahead and sent the proof anyway. Hardly inspiring. They are NOT recognised outside of the UK, and are not recgnised for high risk jobs inside the UK.
A basic disclosure is much better. It is current and up to date (Disclosure Scotland are not, and their statement implied as much). The basic disclosure from your local police force is much more accurate, covers 5 years of addresses (Disclosure covers only 1, and links to the electoral roll to get a complete picture) and it IS recognised outside of the UK.
The police one and the disclosure scotland (at least in the case of my somewhat inconclusice experience with them) only show unspent convictions. A spent conviction for lesser crimes (does not include serious crimes such as violent crime or sexual offences) will not be shown, and cautions are not shown either.
I got the information on spent convictions from a friend of mine who was the Information Officer for one of the larger Police forces in the UK, so whilst the information is second hand, the source is pretty trustworthy. He said that, whilst all information is held on record, it is deleted from the disclosure before it is printed, as it is no longer considered relevent and to disclose it would be an offence under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.
As for cautions... I have one for an indiscretion when I was 17 years old. It did not show on my record check. This could be due to the offence being commited when I was a minor, it could be considered 'spent' or it could simply be that they do not show up at all. As the report is only supposed to show unspent convictions, I would expect that they should never show up at all.
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Scouse Mouse wrote: |
| A basic disclosure is much better. It is current and up to date (Disclosure Scotland are not, and their statement implied as much). |
Disclosure Scotland carry out the basic disclosure.
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| The basic disclosure from your local police force is much more accurate, covers 5 years of addresses (Disclosure covers only 1, and links to the electoral roll to get a complete picture) and it IS recognised outside of the UK. |
That's known as a subject access check. |
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Beeyee

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:12 am Post subject: |
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I'm confused.
I'm supposed to be renewing in July. What should I apply for? A subject check with the police or a basic disclosure with the Scottish company? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| Beeyee wrote: |
I'm confused.
I'm supposed to be renewing in July. What should I apply for? A subject check with the police or a basic disclosure with the Scottish company? |
I've applied for a basic disclosure. |
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maddog
Joined: 08 Dec 2005 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: |
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I haven't read all the replies, so I apologise for any duplication.
I got my basic disclosure through Disclosure Scotland. It cost 20 pounds and you don't have to give any reason as to why you want. I got it done online. Simply fill out the form, enter credit card details, and wait a few days for it to arrive in the mail.
It shows spent and unspent convictions, but it doesn't show cautions. Nor does it show things like 'breach of the peace' where you opted to pay the fine and avoid prosecution. I know this for a fact because I got done for 'breach of the peace' (and received the letter from the procurator fiscal) a few weeks before I got it done.
A criminal history check from the local police station shows EVERYTHING! This is what I was told when I went there. The officer explained that my recent arrest would show up, as would any cautions I had received. It costs 10 pounds.
My advice, if you have any doubts about cautions or fines, is to get it done through Disclosure Scotland. It's worth the extra tenner to know that your visa application won't be rejected because you once got drunk and shouted a few obsenities at a bouncer. I'm not saying that they definitely would reject your application for such a thing, but why take the chance?
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Beeyee

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| maddog wrote: |
I haven't read all the replies, so I apologise for any duplication.
I got my basic disclosure through Disclosure Scotland. It cost 20 pounds and you don't have to give any reason as to why you want. I got it done online. Simply fill out the form, enter credit card details, and wait a few days for it to arrive in the mail.
It shows spent and unspent convictions, but it doesn't show cautions. Nor does it show things like 'breach of the peace' where you opted to pay the fine and avoid prosecution. I know this for a fact because I got done for 'breach of the peace' (and received the letter from the procurator fiscal) a few weeks before I got it done.
A criminal history check from the local police station shows EVERYTHING! This is what I was told when I went there. The officer explained that my recent arrest would show up, as would any cautions I had received. It costs 10 pounds.
My advice, if you have any doubts about cautions or fines, is to get it done through Disclosure Scotland. It's worth the extra tenner to know that your visa application won't be rejected because you once got drunk and shouted a few obsenities at a bouncer. I'm not saying that they definitely would reject your application for such a thing, but why take the chance?
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That's all well and good if immigration accepts it. Will they? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| It shows spent and unspent convictions, but it doesn't show cautions. |
The basic disclosure does not show spent convictions. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I have both a subject access and a basic disclosure. |
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daz1979

Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Location: Gangwon-Do
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the reply I just received regarding the Scotland Basic Disclosure:
We can provide a copy of the application form to your address in Korea
and you are eligible to apply from there. However, it would be sent via
surface mail which may take several weeks to reach you. This would also
apply when the form was processed and your certificate if sent to you.
It may be advantageous to have the Disclosure form sent to a
friend/relative in the UK. They can then send it on to you via Airmail.
The same applies for the certificate.
As you would only be able to apply for a Basic Disclosure, only unspent
convictions would appear on the certificate.
If you are unsure of what may/may not appear, you can contact APEX on
01382525031. They will be able to provide you with detailed information
on any caution/convictions you may have.
Regards
From this I'm still unsure if unspent cautions are shown or not. |
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philipjames
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Can I just walk into a police station back home (UK) and get a criminal record check done there? I'll be there next month and I would be great if I could just get this out of the way while I'm there? Can I return to Korea after a ten-day visit to the Uk with the criminal record check in my hand?
Cheers for any information. |
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DrTommyTom

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Location: Suwon, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: to those uncertain what is acceptable or not.. |
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I have been looking into this criminal background check thing for some time now...I've managed to dig up some information, both with my consulate here in Canada...and one website in particular that has been helpful...
anyways, I have a criminal record...non-violent misdemeanor...I thought this would screw me in the application of my visa but it hasn't so far...
heres the info i got from ESL planet...
What on my criminal background check will prevent me from getting an E2 visa?
It is ok.. a speeding ticket will not disqualify you.
What will disqualify you is:
* any drug related offence
Yes that is right! If you were caught hiding a joint in your high school locker, you will not be given an E2 visa. There is a zero tolerance with drug related offences.
* any sex related offence
Anything at all here..ZERO ZERO tolerance
* Any violence related offence
Any crime relating to a violence matter diqualifies you from getting a visa
* any jail term
If you have been to jail for a crime, you will be ineligible for an E2 visa...for anything..jail means no visa!
<http://www.esl-planet.com/FAQ.aspx> |
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essex iron
Joined: 08 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: Re: to those uncertain what is acceptable or not.. |
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| DrTommyTom wrote: |
I have been looking into this criminal background check thing for some time now...I've managed to dig up some information, both with my consulate here in Canada...and one website in particular that has been helpful...
anyways, I have a criminal record...non-violent misdemeanor...I thought this would screw me in the application of my visa but it hasn't so far...
heres the info i got from ESL planet...
What on my criminal background check will prevent me from getting an E2 visa?
It is ok.. a speeding ticket will not disqualify you.
What will disqualify you is:
* any drug related offence
Yes that is right! If you were caught hiding a joint in your high school locker, you will not be given an E2 visa. There is a zero tolerance with drug related offences.
* any sex related offence
Anything at all here..ZERO ZERO tolerance
* Any violence related offence
Any crime relating to a violence matter diqualifies you from getting a visa
* any jail term
If you have been to jail for a crime, you will be ineligible for an E2 visa...for anything..jail means no visa!
<http://www.esl-planet.com/FAQ.aspx> |
Yeah, that's not the first time I have seen those offenses listed.
I think I might be ok with a DR10 (DUI) but it has to be said the zero tolerance on drug misdemeanors might be a pisser for quite a few.  |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| From this I'm still unsure if unspent cautions are shown or not. |
Again, I can say with certainty that spent convictions do not show up on a basic disclosure. I am not sure whether or not they show up on a subject access check though. |
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daz1979

Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Location: Gangwon-Do
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| daz1979 wrote: |
| From this I'm still unsure if unspent cautions are shown or not. |
Again, I can say with certainty that spent convictions do not show up on a basic disclosure. I am not sure whether or not they show up on a subject access check though. |
Not what I asked, but yes you are right. They e-mailed me and told me only outstanding convictions are disclosed and that spent convictions and cautions do not apply.
With the Subject Access, standard disclosure and enhanced disclosures EVERYTHING will be disclosed, pretty harsh to have any minor spent conviction disclosed and ruin your chance of being issued a visa. That wouldn't be possible back home unless it was maybe something really serious, but then if it was that serious it probably wouldn't be spent anyway. Enhanced checks will even show if you were interview or suspected in any way. |
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