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Contract Signed, Visa Issuance Number... Now Problems!
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be that they are screwing the teacher you are to replace by letting him/her go in his/her 12th month! So they need a teacher now. I don't buy training being the reason for an earlier start date as hagwons rarely conduct training. This is bait and switch. Don't go! Get a new job! Don't trust any hagwon or director for a minute. Many come off as good people running good schools, but often are fraudsters who only deceive parents, students, and teachers.

While violent crime is almost nonexistent in Korea, white collar crime is all too common. I can't count how many times I have had to correct my school director on money matters. She will try me to the end and probably will still send me packing with less money than is owed.

Korea sparkling at it's best.
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ModernDayDrifter



Joined: 05 Dec 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC USA

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have started my search for another school. I have yet to hear from the recruiter since I replied back to his, we need you here by Jan 2nd message. So we will see what happens.

I am sad that I have to wait 90 days now to find another job. Are there a fair a number of good public school jobs still around? After this ordeal with the private institue, I am leaning towards public schools...
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, there are plenty of public school jobs if you can muster the application documents and get the visa issuance. It should be no problem getting the necessary drug test outside of Korea which presents a big problem for me right now as I am still in Korea teaching for a hagwon and trying to get a public school position. I just about give up on it as there are many other ways to make $30,000 USD per year. Yes, it requires a drug test to land a public school job and then another drug test after you arrive to get your alien resident card or face deportation. The problem is that it's difficult to get drug testing for marijuana smoking in Korea though some say they found it in Seoul and Incheon. Most Koreans don't know what marijuana is and available drug tests only test for amphetamines while the Korean ministry of justice requires a cannabis test. This is a new law that went into effect 2 weeks ago.


Good luck to you.
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ModernDayDrifter



Joined: 05 Dec 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC USA

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks sojourner1 for the well wishes!

I did not have to submit all the new requirements this past time. But I had already sent off my fingerprints to the FBI for the background check just in case. So I have all the documents ready to be sent off whenever I find a new school.

I am just discouraged/ frusterated at this point. I know that it is the middle of the night in South Korea right now, where as it is during normal business hrs here in the US. I guess I expected to hear back from the recruiter yesterday before the end of business. I am just a bit stressed in approaching the situation with him, as well as my current work situation here in the states. I am just worried about the 90 wait now if I do not go with the current school. I do not know what to say to my recruiter to get out of this current contract. But, I do not want to get to the current school, it turn out to be horrible, and then have to wait a year to teach in Korea, ya know..

Ugh... lol..
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't use the VIN (visa issuance number), it is not held against you because you didn't utilize it to get your visa. So, if another school contacts you and the both of you agree to the conditions under which you will be hired, you will be issued another VIN in which you will get your visa.

Also, try your best to get hired by the school itself- recruiters in Korea are very notorious for lying to get people there.

Eslcafe is a good place to look for jobs, but you can also look for them at:

www.eslteachersboard.com
www.myenglishjob.com
www.englishspectrum.com

They also have good listings for jobs and depending on your qualifications, a good school should be able to pick you up easily.

Don't get frustrated with the situation and it is you who control your job search, not them.

Remember that and you'll be ok.
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ModernDayDrifter



Joined: 05 Dec 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC USA

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
If you don't use the VIN (visa issuance number), it is not held against you because you didn't utilize it to get your visa. So, if another school contacts you and the both of you agree to the conditions under which you will be hired, you will be issued another VIN in which you will get your visa.

Also, try your best to get hired by the school itself- recruiters in Korea are very notorious for lying to get people there.

Eslcafe is a good place to look for jobs, but you can also look for them at:

www.eslteachersboard.com
www.myenglishjob.com
www.englishspectrum.com

They also have good listings for jobs and depending on your qualifications, a good school should be able to pick you up easily.

Don't get frustrated with the situation and it is you who control your job search, not them.

Remember that and you'll be ok.


Thank you so much for the wonderful suggestions... I have a BA as well as years of tutoring experience and lesson planning. So, I believe I will be able to find something better.

Do you know anything about the 90 day wait that I have heard about in regards to the visa issuance number? I heard since I have one now I have to wait 90 days before a new school can apply for one, is that true?
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expat2001



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ModernDayDrifter wrote:
They have not purchased my ticket yet. I have all my paperwork that needs to be sent to the consulate here in the United States all ready to go, but I do not know if I should sent it in now. It is not a public school. I am starting to think I made the wrong choice going with a private lang institue. I think what makes me to most upset is that I have been telling everyone from the get go that I am not available in early jan...

I really do want to teach ya know... this is all just starting to put a sour taste in my mouth. My recruiter has been wonderful up until the contract was signed, then started to come off a bit pushy. It has not been anything rude, but the tone has seemed to change a bit.


Never trust recruiters! They dont care about you! All you are is money to them
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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ModernDayDrifter wrote:

Do you know anything about the 90 day wait that I have heard about in regards to the visa issuance number? I heard since I have one now I have to wait 90 days before a new school can apply for one, is that true?


PM ttompatz !!!!!
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is true, but there is always a way around the wait period-

1. If you find another school that really wants you, there will work their way around you getting another VIN.

or

2. Wait it out, yet in the meantime look for a better place that will accomodate YOUR arrival time, not the schools. As for getting a P.S. job, they mostly hire during a set time in the year and you do have to be there for orientation and training. You should consult the EPIK site for more info.
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ModernDayDrifter



Joined: 05 Dec 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC USA

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KWhitehead wrote:
ModernDayDrifter wrote:

Do you know anything about the 90 day wait that I have heard about in regards to the visa issuance number? I heard since I have one now I have to wait 90 days before a new school can apply for one, is that true?


PM ttompatz !!!!!


Thanks KWhithead for the heads up on who to ask... Hopefully ttompatz will be able to provide with some answers to the whole issuance number situation.

I think maybe that is why I am feeling so lost, I am not sure what the next step is in regards to the VIN and finally reaching my destination, South Korea...
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Scarlet13



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Contract Signed, Visa Issuance Number... Now Problems! Reply with quote

ModernDayDrifter wrote:
To make a long story short:
I have accepted a position at a school in Daegu. I was able to secure this position with the help of a recruiter. I have interviewed, reviewed, and signed the contract. I received my visa issuance number. In the interview I stated I would not be available till mid-late Jan due to my current work contract here in the US. I verified with the recruiter tonight about my arrival date. I was informed of a new date, that was news to me. I found out the new date is for traning, which I understand. But I have stated from the get go when I will be available. The new date is no where near that date. The school has been informed that I will not be arriving as soon as they had planned. ( I do not know who got their hopes up, bc I have stated that my arrival date would not be until atleast mid jan. ) Apparently the school is very upset about this.

I do not know what to do. I am upset about the current situation. I am not sure what my options are since the school needs someone sooner than my arrival date. I am afraid that since I already have my issuance number for that school, that I will not be able to get a job at another school, if things do not work out. I am worried about starting out on the wrong foot with the school as well, ya know... The whole thing has turned into a huge mess.

Anyone have any advice or whatnot... I do not know what to do!



Exact same thing happened to me, I stood my ground and they backed down. It is not your problem, don't feel bad.
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regicide



Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KWhitehead wrote:
i *think*-- and you'll have to check with ttompatz on this -- that a visa number is issued and lasts 90 days. then it expires. then you can get a new one. but once again, ttompatz is the user to talk to.


They can cancel the number if they are willing to. I had my new hogwan owner call English Channel and talk to the branch manager and she agreed to cancel it. I think my new boss also wanted to confirm that I backed out ( quit after one day) and was not fired.

I don't think it really in a schools interest to carry someone on their books as a sponsor of an E2 holder. They do have certain liabilities.
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soju pizza



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MODS! Make this a sticky!
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ModernDayDrifter



Joined: 05 Dec 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC USA

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

regicide wrote:
KWhitehead wrote:
i *think*-- and you'll have to check with ttompatz on this -- that a visa number is issued and lasts 90 days. then it expires. then you can get a new one. but once again, ttompatz is the user to talk to.


They can cancel the number if they are willing to. I had my new hogwan owner call English Channel and talk to the branch manager and she agreed to cancel it. I think my new boss also wanted to confirm that I backed out ( quit after one day) and was not fired.

I don't think it really in a schools interest to carry someone on their books as a sponsor of an E2 holder. They do have certain liabilities.


Thats a good point about the school wanting to carry someone as a sponsor if they are not coming. I am going to look into that...

I am still awaiting a response from the recruiter, interesting how it is awhile for him to man up and get back to me...
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MarionG



Joined: 14 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't send your stuff to the embassy OR the recruiter. Wait for another job. ttompatz IS the one who really knows about the 90 day rule, but my understanding (but I'm not as well informed as tt) is that if you never "activate" the visa, it dies a natural death, or rather, it never came into being. And the only way to "activate" it is for the Korean embassy closest to you and have it put in your passport.

But again, doublecheck with ttompatz
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