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A perennial favorite-- racism in Korea
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PBRstreetgang21



Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: A perennial favorite-- racism in Korea Reply with quote

I want to ask a legitimate question-- How racist are the taxi drivers?

Tonight I was coming home with three of my friends from Hongdae and trying to get cab back to Incheon. Granted it always takes a little negotiating and usually more than few tries to get the right cab for the right price. But in the past usually when I am rejected its due to a disagreement over fare and I walk away. But tonight before I secured a cab I had three, THREE different cabs say no before I even said a word. They took one look at me and said no. By the third time I was so pissed I yelled at him in Korean "You dont like foreigners?". To which he just looked away and continued to wave his hand.

I mean for the most part Ive had nothing but great experiences from Koreans. They have been nothing but helpful and outgoing to me. In the past Ive have Koreans say a great many nice things about me and even with Korean gf, had taxi drivers tell us we were cute and give us tips on romantic places. But tonight, I just wondered...was it because they were xenephobic and racist or was it because in Hongdae (which seems more and more like its taking a lot of spillover from Itaewon just MHO) a select group of foreigners are crafting more of a bad rap for our already beleaguered position in the country? Im not trolling Im asking truly, do you think if me and my three friends where in Guro where there are comparativly less foreigners we'd have this problem, and that its confined to foreigner "hot spots" or "trouble areas"? Or is it really just that this country cant stop being a hermit kingdom?

I dunno, Im just pissed about those three cabbies regardless.
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butlerian



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taxi drivers all over the world are the unscrupulous sort. Wake up to reality.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't ever make sense. I've had times where I waited almost 2 hours at night in Jong-ro with more than 50,000 empty taxis driving by, and I've had times when 50,000 taxis lined up as soon as I set my foot on the road to cross the street.

Had that in Chicago, New York, Hong Kong, and Beijing as well. If there's one thing that is consistent throughout the world, it's that taxi drivers have their own priorities.
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MissSeoul



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,
Do you look like a GI ?
Once every while GI's in korea make news on local newspapers. GI's try not to pay fee after ride taxi and got involve physical fighting with korean taxi drivers, often the GI's are grounp of 2-4 guys and korean taxi driver is by himself, so guess how the fighting end up. The korean taxi driver was blooding on ground and the GI's are gone without pay.
YOU GOT IT NOW ?????

Oh well, sometimes another korean join to fight, then it can be..kinfe and more knives... Twisted Evil
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss Seoul where do you get your information from?
I'll guess it's the Korean Internet and Newspapers. Guess what Miss Seoul, they LIE big time.
Usually when GI's have a problem with taxi drivers it's because the taxi drivers try to way way over charge them because they know the soldiers MUST be back on base.
Of course the Korean media never tells you this.
As for Racism from Taxi drivers. Nahh, they'll cut off, sideswipe, and tailgate anyone regardless of race, color, or creed. Equal opportunity offenders.
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MissSeoul



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
Miss Seoul where do you get your information from?
I'll guess it's the Korean Internet and Newspapers. Guess what Miss Seoul, they LIE big time.
Usually when GI's have a problem with taxi drivers it's because the taxi drivers try to way way over charge them because they know the soldiers MUST be back on base.
Of course the Korean media never tells you this.



I don't think korean taxi drivers try over charge just GI's, I've never read any incident over taxi fee with another foreigners in korea ( including native teachers ), unfortunately it's always GI's in YoungSan or Eujungbu.
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karma police



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:

I don't think korean taxi drivers try over charge just GI's, I've never read any incident over taxi fee with another foreigners in korea ( including native teachers ), unfortunately it's always GI's in YoungSan or Eujungbu.


and American taxi drivers never over-charge Korean GIs? Rolling Eyes

you, Miss Seoul, need a good ole- fashioned spankee! bad, Miss Seoul, bad... Razz

you know, i was at a party once with the wife. having a hoot and gettin pretty drunk, the wife went off to mingle with the others. one of her Korean friends struck up a conversation with my handsome ass about what we did for money. of course, i said i was a baby seal clubber and returned the question. i swear to god i freaked when i heard that this person was a Korean taxi driver! Evil or Very Mad

real drunk at the time, i scolded and shouted that all Korean taxi drivers are raving lunatics, not fit to drive any motorized vehicles and that all are insane hazardous drivers and reckless threats to Korean society! all the sudden, the wife returns to find me in a complete wild frenzy, pushing and yelling vulgar insults at one of her college friends. she confusingly asked my handsome ass what was wrong and i replied that i hated her friend because all Korean taxi drivers are scum! she freaked and totally pissed shouted back at me that her friend was NOT a taxi driver but a textile company owner! 'you misunderstood her, idiot!' she yelled. she's a textile owner NOT a taxi driver!' the wife angrily yelled as we quickly left the party...

boy, was i red faced! Embarassed
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Homer
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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more than 50,000 empty taxis driving by,


Wow...thats a lot of cabbies for a two hour period at night... Laughing

When did you get fed up? 25 995? 32 978? 42 000?
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cibomatto



Joined: 30 Aug 2006
Location: NY

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
GoldMember wrote:
Miss Seoul where do you get your information from?
I'll guess it's the Korean Internet and Newspapers. Guess what Miss Seoul, they LIE big time.
Usually when GI's have a problem with taxi drivers it's because the taxi drivers try to way way over charge them because they know the soldiers MUST be back on base.
Of course the Korean media never tells you this.



I don't think korean taxi drivers try over charge just GI's, I've never read any incident over taxi fee with another foreigners in korea ( including native teachers ), unfortunately it's always GI's in YoungSan or Eujungbu.



Its absolutely true, Service members that newly arrived to Korea are briefed on potentially being ripped off by merchants and Cab drivers are usually the emphasis.
Cab rides from Uijeongbu Station to Camp Red Cloud cost 5,000 at best but on a few occasions I get in a cab and the driver insist that it will cost 20,000. I simply say good bye and look for another cab. I have this happen to me on a few occasions.

Now GIs make easy targets in the sense that when it comes to making curfew, some cab drivers take advantage of them by charging extra.



On the flip side, while 99.99 % of my cab rides are incident free about 50% of them are quite fun. Most of the cab drivers are always pretty friendly and want to talk and ask how I like Korea and such.
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cibomatto



Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
OP,
Do you look like a GI ?
Once every while GI's in korea make news on local newspapers. GI's try not to pay fee after ride taxi and got involve physical fighting with korean taxi drivers, often the GI's are grounp of 2-4 guys and korean taxi driver is by himself, so guess how the fighting end up. The korean taxi driver was blooding on ground and the GI's are gone without pay.
YOU GOT IT NOW ?????

Oh well, sometimes another korean join to fight, then it can be..kinfe and more knives... Twisted Evil


Gosh, this statement really got me in a tizzy,

Does OP looking like or being a GI any better or does that take away or make legit the Cab drivers potentially being racist?
Just because a few GI's (I hate that term) made the sensationalized papers it is OK not to pick foreigners up?

AIIISSSSIIi
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee



Joined: 17 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
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more than 50,000 empty taxis driving by,


Wow...thats a lot of cabbies for a two hour period at night... Laughing

When did you get fed up? 25 995? 32 978? 42 000?


Haha. What was it, some taxi friggin parade or something?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 of my first 5 negative experiences in Korea were with taxi drivers in Busan.

I later found out they have a rep for being rude and bad natured.

In the rural Gyeongsangnamdo town I teach at now there are only three locals who consistently treat me like *beep* and two of them are cabbies and one the guy who puts luggage on the buses.

butlerian wrote:
Taxi drivers all over the world are the unscrupulous sort. Wake up to reality.


Taxi drivers back in my home town are a nice lot. But I've heard about New York cabbies and simply expect now to get attitude sometimes from Korean taxi drivers.
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PGF



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time I had trouble in a cab was when I was with my korean wife. The taxi driver was obviously taking a long way to our building. I started to point this out and my wife just shushed me. When we got home she quietly told him that he deliberately took an out of the way route and that she was only going to pay him 2000 w. His reply, "your mind". No argument. He knew he was wrong.

I was surprised that he did this with her in the car. I've never had problems on my own and I frequently use taxis-almost everday. Usually I jump in the front seat, say hello, ask the driver where he's from, tell him his picture is very handsome, etc. This always gets him in a good mood and he tries to practice his broken english-e on me. We always part happy and I always let the driver keep the change. If the guy goes out of his way to drive fast and get me to my destination quickly I fork over a 1000 w tip.

As for Miss Seoul--> there have been tv news segments on airport taxi drivers ripping off foreigners--> running a fast meter, etc. Your argument that taxi drivers never rip off foreigners is insane. It's wodely publicized.

They even rip off your children. One of my students left all his books at home. I handed her 5000 w and told her to take a taxi. She said that evenn thoguh she lived two blocks away, the taxi driver would take her around the block and run the meter up because she is a kid. She opted to run home and back.

Taxis denying foreigners around club areas is ok IMO. Club goers are usually juiced. They almost never speak Korean. And, the whole affair can be a headache for the poor working slob. If I was a taxi driver and someone who did not speak my language jumped in my cab and I could not understand her directions, I would deny her the service. If this happened several times, i would stop even trying to pick up foreigners. Not racist, just practical business.
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cibomatto



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissSeoul's argument isn't insane when you consider the fact the she is biased against service members.

Its hard to read other incidents when the only thing one googles is "Crime DIRTY GIs COMMIT in Peaceful South Korea"
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nateium



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
It doesn't ever make sense. I've had times where I waited almost 2 hours at night in Jong-ro with more than 50,000 empty taxis driving by, and I've had times when 50,000 taxis lined up as soon as I set my foot on the road to cross the street.

Had that in Chicago, New York, Hong Kong, and Beijing as well. If there's one thing that is consistent throughout the world, it's that taxi drivers have their own priorities.


I really really f-ing hate that. It's not racism. It's some sort of strange economic consequence that I don't understand completely (please explain anyone). Somehow taxi drivers make more by avoiding people all night to pick up just one really long distance fare (Incheon, Bundang, Ilsan).

When some drivers finish for the night, they will only pick up someone who lives in their home area.

Also, some drivers are on call to pick up specific customers.

What this means in JongNo is that you have hundreds of drivers circling the Piano Street/BorshingGak block like it's a racetrack, only slowing to see if anyone mentions a good area.

Technically taxi drivers are even legally obligated to pick up customers, so some drivers wont even slow down enough to let you jump in, and other lock their doors.

In places like JongNo (and some area of HongDae etc.), after a certain time, there are no buses, subway trains or taxis to take customers to reasonably close or moderate distances. I've had to walk out of the JongNo area just to get a Taxi! Evil or Very Mad
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