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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
I can't believe all the fascist, "no tolerance" types on this board. They are kids, or teens at best. Half the time they don't even know the meaning of what they are saying, and it is taken as if it is a fully conscious, personally directed attack.
I recall one poster punishing a kid to the point of crying because he farted, . |
Well what do ya know? That poster was me! (unless someone else did that too) For your information, that farting kid is now one of my best students and has never screwed around since that incident, and we get along great now. He got absolutely no discipline from his parents, and getting punished harshly by a teacher was a wake up call for him.
As for calling people on here fascist...get real, we're in a classroom. There should be a hierarchy and rules should be enforced. I don't recall being able to talk smack to my teacher when I was that age. Also, I knew exactly what I was saying when I was that same age, not to mention the student in question has an English level where he knows what he is saying as well.
I do agree that they are kids and that there actually may be no malicious intent in that comment "Yankee go home," which is why I posted asking others for advice as to what to do about it. Thanks for everyones input by the way. |
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Boodleheimer

Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Location: working undercover for the Man
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:12 am Post subject: |
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i don't know how 'f*in USA' goes. i wonder if they've been humming it and i've been oblivious...
now the paranoia sets in....  |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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Mix1 wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
I recall one poster punishing a kid to the point of crying because he farted, . |
Well what do ya know? That poster was me! (unless someone else did that too) For your information, that farting kid is now one of my best students and has never screwed around since that incident, and we get along great now. He got absolutely no discipline from his parents, and getting punished harshly by a teacher was a wake up call for him. |
That is wonderful.
Mix1 wrote: |
As for calling people on here fascist...get real, we're in a classroom. There should be a hierarchy and rules should be enforced. ...
I do agree that they are kids and that there actually may be no malicious intent in that comment "Yankee go home," which is why I posted asking others for advice as to what to do about it. Thanks for everyones input by the way. |
I think a lot of this has to do with the teacher's personality, and those of the students.
I agree there should be rules. It is how one goes about enforcing them that will vary according to one's personality. That hardline approach just is not me. I have had gratifying results but it may take a long time of working with the more difficult students, and to be honest, I do not always succeed, but does anyone, and if so, at what cost? |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
Mix1 wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
I recall one poster punishing a kid to the point of crying because he farted, . |
Well what do ya know? That poster was me! (unless someone else did that too) For your information, that farting kid is now one of my best students and has never screwed around since that incident, and we get along great now. He got absolutely no discipline from his parents, and getting punished harshly by a teacher was a wake up call for him. |
That is wonderful.
Mix1 wrote: |
As for calling people on here fascist...get real, we're in a classroom. There should be a hierarchy and rules should be enforced. ...
I do agree that they are kids and that there actually may be no malicious intent in that comment "Yankee go home," which is why I posted asking others for advice as to what to do about it. Thanks for everyones input by the way. |
I think a lot of this has to do with the teacher's personality, and those of the students.
I agree there should be rules. It is how one goes about enforcing them that will vary according to one's personality. That hardline approach just is not me. I have had gratifying results but it may take a long time of working with the more difficult students, and to be honest, I do not always succeed, but does anyone, and if so, at what cost? |
Go ahead.
You know you want to say it, swishy.
Who will think of the children???? |
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mysteriousdeltarays

Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Location: Food Pyramid Bldg. 5F, 77 Sunset Strip, Alphaville
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Years ago, before some of you were even born really.
Shouts of "Ynangeekokomei" were almost as frequent as "Hey GI you want good time? Short time? Long time? I make you so happy, I so horney. E man won" ( 20,000 won. )
It was a mantra
It depended upon the gender what the rant was.
I was in Itaewon the other day, met some prostitute. It was one of these call out the door routines. I was with some guy I had just met on one of my "ramblings". I don't know he took off after a half hour or so. I think he was kind of condescending. Some sort of misaprehension happened.
After he left in some sort a huff, I don't know what over, perhaps a misplaced sexual encounter which is odd considering the clientele were prostitutes.
I don't know I was just having a beer. But one of them said to me "English Teachers, Canadians " She spit on the floor and then said "All trash!"
Something has gone seriously down hill when the prostitutes on Hooker Hill consider us trash.
It made me feel like ****
Well let's drop around the country club and play a few rounds. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: |
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A couple of years ago while teaching a fourth year university "reading and discussion" class, a kid of edfinate leftist leanings started going one about how bad the Americans were. I got a little miffed and told him that if it wasn't for the Americans he would be starving in North Korea.
The rest of the class actually applauded my comment. |
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mgafunnell
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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people are stupid. it isn't your fault korea needed the usa to sort out their problems. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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idonojacs wrote: |
Maybe he was a Red Sox fan? |
LOL  |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Go ahead.
You know you want to say it, swishy.
Who will think of the children???? |
Well, crusher, I think it is a safe bet to guess your approach, but you got me all wrong. That is something I never say.
I'd be more likely to say something like, "Think of the effects that idiots, perhaps even well-meaning idiots, thinking of the children have." |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Go ahead.
You know you want to say it, swishy.
Who will think of the children???? |
Well, crusher, I think it is a safe bet to guess your approach, but you got me all wrong. That is something I never say.
I'd be more likely to say something like, "Think of the effects that idiots, perhaps even well-meaning idiots, thinking of the children have." |
You're better off not saying that, dumbass. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: |
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I've convinced adult students before that I'm from an island off of Korea that western explorers have dwelled on since the 1500's and speak a different dialect of Korean mixed with English. And you're upset because you think a kid knows what "Yankee go home" means??? |
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bluelake

Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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As most of my university students weren't even born when I first came to Korea, I usually open up the first semester saying to them, "Welcome to Korea!"  |
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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Here's something to think about:
What if instead of yelling "Yankee go home!" a student whispers "child abuser"? What if the kids start a rumor? What if a kid says this to a parent?
And what if it is totally false?
Kids learn prejudice and fear of other types of people from their parents. What are these new E-2 regulations going to teach the children?
And what if you are falsely accused of child abuse? It's happened elsewhere. In the West, authorities have learned the hard way that a child, or even groups of children, can make up stories about these sorts of things. People have been falsely convicted in the West, and later found to be totally innocent. What would happen in Korea in this climate of fear the government is creating?
Do all of your students like and respect you? Or do some of them hate your guts because you try to enforce basic discipline? Would they take advantage of a golden opportunity to retaliate?
If the Korean government can claim with a straight face that the captain of an anchored foreign-owned tanker is at fault (at least partially) for a collision with a runaway Korean barge hauling a crane, what chance do you have of justice? Even if the accusations are preposterous, wouldn't the Korean officials say you must be at least partially to blame?
And what do you think would happen in a Korean prison to a Western "abuser of Korean children"?
Korean officials have already demonstrated over and over their inability to distinguish between "alleged" and "convicted" when it comes to Westerners. (Some posters on this site seem to have the same problem.)
And what will happen with E-2 regs if Korea catches a child abuser here, real or not? How much further can they go?
You can bet that Korean officials would just love to catch a Western child abuser or two teaching here; it would prove that their paranoia was justified.
The U.S. uses the bogeyman of terrorism to stir up fear and hatred, and distract its citizens from the real problems the administration is failing to address. Korea appears to be using English teachers for this.
When you put all the pieces together, the picture is not pretty. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Don't tolerate disrespectful behavior in your classroom. Teachers are highly respected authority figures in Confucian societies. Use it. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
I can't believe all the fascist, "no tolerance" types on this board. |
Use hyperbole often? |
I'm guessing you are European. I've noticed that Europeans use this word in a much more restricted way than Americans have come to do. Yeah, I may use it a bit too loosely but hopefully I make my point. |
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