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Poemer
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae
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 Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: illegal after-school program? |
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I'm considering several job offers. One looks good, but it is an after-school program operated by a private company at a public school. The public school "hires" me for the purposes of E-2 visa sponsorship, but I am actually an employee of the company. I'm sure this is all illegal somehow, or the business would hire me directly.
My question is, does anyone have any experience with this type of program? The particular company I am dealing with is Win education out of Yangpyeong in Seoul.
One possible problem that I would be in the clear on is that I will not have to open two bank accounts as is the case with some of these types of jobs. I will have one account into which they will deposit my pay, end of story. They are not keeping any bank book in my name through which they will be moving money. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Seems to me this happens all the time. If it is illegal then no one is doign anything about it. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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We have an after-school program like that in my public school, they even have a foreign teacher, but the foreign teacher is not on the school's payroll nor involved in anything related to the school. It's just like a hogwan located in the school.
I don't know why the public school hires you, but you remain an employee of a private company. It all comes down to the contract. Don't expect the school to help you much, but also don't expect to attend meetings or do work for the school unrelated to your contract. Ask questions and make things clear about your duties. You don't want to work, for example, in a school where the principal or teachers feel like they can direct you around or get on your case. Find out who you answer to, because being in a public school often involves a pecking order. If you aren't contractually in that pecking order, tell the overbearing principal to politely shove off because you don't work for him or the school, you work for xyz company. |
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aphase
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| This has been posted on quite a bit here recently. Just do a search or scroll down. It was last posted last week. |
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aphase
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Poemer
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, sorry about that. The ONE time I don't use the search function there is actually relevent, up-to-date info. Go figure. My apologies and thanks for the links. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
We have an after-school program like that in my public school, they even have a foreign teacher, but the foreign teacher is not on the school's payroll nor involved in anything related to the school. It's just like a hogwan located in the school.
I don't know why the public school hires you, but you remain an employee of a private company. It all comes down to the contract. Don't expect the school to help you much, but also don't expect to attend meetings or do work for the school unrelated to your contract. Ask questions and make things clear about your duties. You don't want to work, for example, in a school where the principal or teachers feel like they can direct you around or get on your case. Find out who you answer to, because being in a public school often involves a pecking order. If you aren't contractually in that pecking order, tell the overbearing principal to politely shove off because you don't work for him or the school, you work for xyz company. |
If you do that, the principal may tell you and your company to take a hike. |
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Poemer
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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That's true Beej, but also probably unlikely since he's profiting from the whole arrangement.
I have, by the way, decided not to take the job. It would be more than a little hypocritical of me to rail on korean business practices all the time and then knowingly involve myself in some scheming, money-grubbing principle/company's plans. Too bad though, the hours and location were sweet. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| From what I've heard, you can find yourself in quite a bind if they decide not to pay you. |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder how many GEPIK schools have these shady after-school programs? |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Poemer wrote: |
That's true Beej, but also probably unlikely since he's profiting from the whole arrangement.
I have, by the way, decided not to take the job. It would be more than a little hypocritical of me to rail on korean business practices all the time and then knowingly involve myself in some scheming, money-grubbing principle/company's plans. Too bad though, the hours and location were sweet. |
I agree. While respect should be shown to anyone the OP encounters at a school, though working for a different company in the school, the OP is not legally bound to follow principal orders or requests if it's not in the contract, and especially if the principal makes outlandish requests or is confused about who the OP works for. Many principals like to flex their power muscles. I was simply advising the OP to clearly understand his/her role and duties as a teacher who doesn't work for a school itself, but in the privately-run after school program.
Principal to OP: You come in Saturday and teachy special class. You teachy Korean teachers.
OP to principal: Not my job. Here's my contract to prove it. Now, if you want to work out some deal with my true employer for me to teach some extra classes for overtime, I'll sit down and negotiate with you and my employer. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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True, you have a contract. That one always works in Korea, right?
Second of all, the principal is the boss of the XYZ company. So he's certainly above you in the pecking order. But as long as he's getting his cut of white envelopes, he won't make waves.
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That's true Beej, but also probably unlikely since he's profiting from the whole arrangement.
I have, by the way, decided not to take the job. It would be more than a little hypocritical of me to rail on korean business practices all the time and then knowingly involve myself in some scheming, money-grubbing principle/company's plans. Too bad though, the hours and location were sweet. |
I agree. While respect should be shown to anyone the OP encounters at a school, though working for a different company in the school, the OP is not legally bound to follow principal orders or requests if it's not in the contract, and especially if the principal makes outlandish requests or is confused about who the OP works for. Many principals like to flex their power muscles. I was simply advising the OP to clearly understand his/her role and duties as a teacher who doesn't work for a school itself, but in the privately-run after school program.
Principal to OP: You come in Saturday and teachy special class. You teachy Korean teachers.
OP to principal: Not my job. Here's my contract to prove it. Now, if you want to work out some deal with my true employer for me to teach some extra classes for overtime, I'll sit down and negotiate with you and my employer. |
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jangsalgida
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
We have an after-school program like that in my public school, they even have a foreign teacher, but the foreign teacher is not on the school's payroll nor involved in anything related to the school. It's just like a hogwan located in the school.
I don't know why the public school hires you, but you remain an employee of a private company. It all comes down to the contract. Don't expect the school to help you much, but also don't expect to attend meetings or do work for the school unrelated to your contract. Ask questions and make things clear about your duties. You don't want to work, for example, in a school where the principal or teachers feel like they can direct you around or get on your case. Find out who you answer to, because being in a public school often involves a pecking order. If you aren't contractually in that pecking order, tell the overbearing principal to politely shove off because you don't work for him or the school, you work for xyz company. |
How do you know the teacher isn't on the payroll? If they pay him, he is on the payroll. And, they must pay/file the taxes. |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
We have an after-school program like that in my public school, they even have a foreign teacher, but the foreign teacher is not on the school's payroll nor involved in anything related to the school. It's just like a hogwan located in the school.
I don't know why the public school hires you, but you remain an employee of a private company. It all comes down to the contract. Don't expect the school to help you much, but also don't expect to attend meetings or do work for the school unrelated to your contract. Ask questions and make things clear about your duties. You don't want to work, for example, in a school where the principal or teachers feel like they can direct you around or get on your case. Find out who you answer to, because being in a public school often involves a pecking order. If you aren't contractually in that pecking order, tell the overbearing principal to politely shove off because you don't work for him or the school, you work for xyz company. |
How do you know the teacher isn't on the payroll? If they pay him, he is on the payroll. And, they must pay/file the taxes. |
Becuase this is the old double bank account tax avoidence scam.
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| One possible problem that I would be in the clear on is that I will not have to open two bank accounts as is the case with some of these types of jobs. I will have one account into which they will deposit my pay, end of story. They are not keeping any bank book in my name through which they will be moving money. |
The teacher gets paid by the recruiting company and the school pays all the money to the recruiter via the teacher's second bank account thereby making the teacher lagally responsible for the tax on all the money paid into that account which is a lot more than the teacger's salary.
Do a search on after-school programs. It's quite a well known scam. If the tax office ever comes looking there is nothing linking the recruiter to either the school or teacher. |
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