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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia
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 Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:03 am Post subject: SCHOOL WARNING: Jackie's Clinic in Apgujeong |
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Hey everyone out there. Ever heard of Jackie's Clinic in Apgujeong? Well, don't work for these people, as they will abuse you and use you. If you like being exploited, then work here. You have to work on Saturdays and the housing sucks. My friend works there and wants to leave after being there for only 2 months. The boss calls after 12 midnight just to tell teachers that parents are complaining. Half the time, they are probably not even complaining. The housing is full of bugs, too. My friend had no hot water for a week. Watch out for this place. If you lke harassment then come here!!!
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Holden
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Is this a board for blacklisting schools? I want to say don't work for Mr. Choo's English School in Pusan. |
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Austin
Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: In the kitchen
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:52 pm Post subject: Relations... |
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Princess,
I happen to know Philip Han, and he is a stand up guy. He has high standards and expects a lot from the people that he employees at J.C.
He is upfront about what to expect when working for him. He is clear about the schedule, the curriculum, the housing situation, etc.
Should libel and slander about J.C. be allowed to remain?
The following is a list of some of the standard questions that Philip asks potential employees:
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1. When and why did you decide to become a teacher?
2. What have you learned from your teacher program to make you a better teacher?
3. What are your greatest strengths as an ESL teacher and your greatest weakness?
4. Please describe your experiences working with children.
5. Why do you want to leave your present position?
6. What are your career goals three years from now?
7. Teaching requires time management and organization skills. How do you address these challenges?
8. Describe your goals for the first few days of school and how you would achieve them.
9. How would you maintain student discipline? Can you handle most discipline problems yourself, or will you send students to the principal�s office at the drop of a hat?
10. How do you develop rapport with students?
11. A child has been talking incessantly in your class. What would you do? How would you follow up if your first measure proved ineffective?
12. If a child repeatedly fails to complete homework assignments, how would you respond?
13. What principles do you use to motivate students to learn?
14. How will our children benefit by having you as their teacher?
15. In which curriculum areas do you feel particularly strong?
16. What would you say to a parent who complains that your teaching is irrelevant to his or her child�s needs?
17. What is the worst thing that ever happened to you in the classroom?
18. What do you believe is the major purpose of a teacher�s evaluation by a principal?
19. If students constantly complained to you about another teacher, what would you do?
22. May I contact your references?
23. What sort of salary are you looking for? |
He runs a respectable program, and he compensates experienced teachers very well.
Just because your friend does not like the long hours, the responsibility, etc. at J.C., should you be allowed to state that Mr. Han's school should be "black listed?" |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| To Austin, "...Powers..." by Derrek |
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ratslash
Joined: 08 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:02 am Post subject: |
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princess, what happened to you dishing the dirt on that school in gangnam (was it a POLY school?) why are you now writing about this school?!?  |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Exactly.
Another school Princess?
Bow down to the almight Princess.
I've had bugs in my apartment before. Not swarms of them, but the ocassional mosquito, gnat and moth.
I've had power go out for a day but it went back on.
I've had no hot water. But I wasn't mechanically inclined enough to figure out how the water heaters work.
I haven't been unhappy at schools, but that doesn't give me the right to debuke them on this board. It's Korea. What do you expect.
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
Exactly.
Another school Princess?
Bow down to the almight Princess.
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No, man.
If princess says STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCHOOL its good enough for me.
and you.
HTH |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCHOOL |
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| princess wrote: |
| Hey everyone out there. Ever heard of Jackie's Clinic in Apgujeong? Well, don't work for these people, as they will abuse you and use you. If you like being exploited, then work here. You have to work on Saturdays and the housing sucks. My friend works there and wants to leave after being there for only 2 months. The boss calls after 12 midnight just to tell teachers that parents are complaining. Half the time, they are probably not even complaining. The housing is full of bugs, too. My friend had no hot water for a week. Watch out for this place. If you lke harassment then come here!!! |
Is this a "have to work Saturday's because we told you that you would be working Saturdays" type of Saturday, a "come in for an hour on Saturday", 'we'll reduce your work hours during the week and please come in on Saturday", or what? Details are required, particularly since in the past you complained over expectations of an actual workload.
Insects in the housing? Holy crap, call 119. That, or invest $4 into some insecticide and resolve the problem. If she starts complaining about the apartment temperature, remind her to turn on her heating.
The boss is phoning after midnight to tell the teacher students are complaining? That part is sort-of uncool. Personally, it wouldn't bother me as I'm up late anyway. Plus, I like feedback. If I'm screwing up, I want to know. I suspect that it's less an issue of the time of the call and more the "please stop screwing up" that bothers your friend because she doesn't think she is screwing up. "I can speak English, I must be perfect."
So do you have any actual valid reasons for saying a person shouldn't work at this school? |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Where's the love, Gord? |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Relations... |
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| Austin wrote: |
Princess,
I happen to know Philip Han, and he is a stand up guy. He has high standards and expects a lot from the people that he employees at J.C.
He is upfront about what to expect when working for him. He is clear about the schedule, the curriculum, the housing situation, etc.
Should libel and slander about J.C. be allowed to remain?
The following is a list of some of the standard questions that Philip asks potential employees:
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1. When and why did you decide to become a teacher?
2. What have you learned from your teacher program to make you a better teacher?
3. What are your greatest strengths as an ESL teacher and your greatest weakness?
4. Please describe your experiences working with children.
5. Why do you want to leave your present position?
6. What are your career goals three years from now?
7. Teaching requires time management and organization skills. How do you address these challenges?
8. Describe your goals for the first few days of school and how you would achieve them.
9. How would you maintain student discipline? Can you handle most discipline problems yourself, or will you send students to the principal뭩 office at the drop of a hat?
10. How do you develop rapport with students?
11. A child has been talking incessantly in your class. What would you do? How would you follow up if your first measure proved ineffective?
12. If a child repeatedly fails to complete homework assignments, how would you respond?
13. What principles do you use to motivate students to learn?
14. How will our children benefit by having you as their teacher?
15. In which curriculum areas do you feel particularly strong?
16. What would you say to a parent who complains that your teaching is irrelevant to his or her child뭩 needs?
17. What is the worst thing that ever happened to you in the classroom?
18. What do you believe is the major purpose of a teacher뭩 evaluation by a principal?
19. If students constantly complained to you about another teacher, what would you do?
22. May I contact your references?
23. What sort of salary are you looking for? |
He runs a respectable program, and he compensates experienced teachers very well.
Just because your friend does not like the long hours, the responsibility, etc. at J.C., should you be allowed to state that Mr. Han's school should be "black listed?" |
Yes.
She's not Canadian, she has freedoms of speech and expression. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:42 pm Post subject: 20 ? |
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1. When and why did you decide to become a teacher?
2. What have you learned from your teacher program to make you a better teacher?
3. What are your greatest strengths as an ESL teacher and your greatest weakness?
4. Please describe your experiences working with children.
5. Why do you want to leave your present position?
6. What are your career goals three years from now?
7. Teaching requires time management and organization skills. How do you address these challenges?
8. Describe your goals for the first few days of school and how you would achieve them.
9. How would you maintain student discipline? Can you handle most discipline problems yourself, or will you send students to the principal뭩 office at the drop of a hat?
10. How do you develop rapport with students?
11. A child has been talking incessantly in your class. What would you do? How would you follow up if your first measure proved ineffective?
12. If a child repeatedly fails to complete homework assignments, how would you respond?
13. What principles do you use to motivate students to learn?
14. How will our children benefit by having you as their teacher?
15. In which curriculum areas do you feel particularly strong?
16. What would you say to a parent who complains that your teaching is irrelevant to his or her child뭩 needs?
17. What is the worst thing that ever happened to you in the classroom?
18. What do you believe is the major purpose of a teacher뭩 evaluation by a principal?
19. If students constantly complained to you about another teacher, what would you do?
22. May I contact your references?
23. What sort of salary are you looking for? |
Wow, maybe the teachers should respond with some of thier own questions.
1. When and why did you decide to become a hogwon owner.?
2. What have you learned from your teachers to better your curriculum?
3. What are your greatest strengths and weaknesses as a hogwon owner?
4. Please describe your experiences working with children.
5. Why would anyone want to leave your school?
6. Where do you see yourself in 3 years?
7. Teaching requires time management and organization skills. How do you address these challenges?
8. Describe your expectations for my first few days at school and what I should do to meet them!
9. What are your policies on student discipline?
10. How do you develop rapport with students?
11. A child has been talking incessantly in your class. What would you do? How would you follow up if your first measure proved ineffective? What are the policies in place? Is the child speaking English or Korean? Is the child being enthusiastic or rude?
12. If I tell you a child needs to change classes as the work is too difficult for them will you listen?
13. What reward program does the school have to motivate students to learn?
14. How will I benefit from working at your hogwon?
15. What parts of your curriculum do you feel are particularily strong?
16. Why would a teacher be talking to a parent? Does the director do his/her job?
17. What is the worst thing that has happened to a teacher at your hogwon?
18. What is the purpose of evaluating a teacher?
19. Are students complaints discussed openly?
20. May I contact present and former employees?
21. What kind of salary are you offering?
If they are willing to answer my questions I would be willing to answer theirs. I do feel that the sheer amount of questions they are asking is asinine. Many of them are too vague to qualify as decent questions. I would pass on this school for this reason alone. Asking a teacher to answer a couple of questions is a good idea, asking them to play 20 questions is stupid  |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: 20 ? |
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| If they are willing to answer my questions I would be willing to answer theirs. I do feel that the sheer amount of questions they are asking is asinine. Many of them are too vague to qualify as decent questions. I would pass on this school for this reason alone. Asking a teacher to answer a couple of questions is a good idea, asking them to play 20 questions is stupid |
You much prefer the "hey, I'm here, I'm caucasian, let's see what you are offering me instead of discussing my experience and skills in why I should be hired" avenue? |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: sigh |
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I have no problem with clear concise questions but the vague questions they are asking here are just stupid. Some are okay but others?
Please describe your experiences working with children...which ones? There are so many to choose from. Do they want good experiences? Bad? Difficult? Rewarding? The list goes on.
Career goals in three years time? What is this high school guidance counselling?
7. How do address time management? You tell me.
Goals for first few days? Should be introductions, names, and tell me a bit about yourself? First few days goals? I should have all my students fluent by the end of the week.
Gord please describe how you would develop rapport with your students? I really find it difficult to describe how I will do it. We will all go out for Soju and Pizza..okay? Rapport is built over time through conversation and getting to know one another. How do you develop it? By speaking to the students...seems pretty assinine.
Principles used to motivate? Principles? Techniques okay...but principles?
I guess what I am trying to say is that 5 clearly stated questions would be a good thing 20 seems like overkill...especially when they are as vague as the ones here. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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for the record...
i'm at jackie's clinic.
i feel like a million bucks. i feel appreciated, supported and accepted by both the staff and the other teachers. so far, philip han has turned out to be nothing but upfront, kind and understanding. generous, even. but - they do expect results.
class sizes are small, curriculum is top-notch (what? an actual curriculum, in a hagwon?!?).
i have never worked a saturday.
my housing is spartan yet comfortable.
the support staff have never called me after 7pm or before 9am.
and - i get paid a hell of a lot of money.
i don't know who your friend was princess... but whoever he/she is, advise him/her that there are ways to deal with being a bedwetting crybaby. |
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PatrickSiheung
Joined: 21 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: 20 ? |
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let's see what you are offering me instead of discussing my experience and skills in why I should be hired" |
Actually, I think all people should approach an employer with equal portions of both. I never approach an employer with only reasons why they should hire me. I always always want to know what the company/business can do for me too.
Anyone who has any feeling of their own skills and worth should be comfortable with asking an employer what they can offer them. Besides, the fact is here in Korea a white face can easily get a job. We ask what an employer will offer us because we can. Just taking what you are given and always seeking to please the employer makes you a pu$$y.
I'm not defending or refuting what Princess has said. I'm just throwing some thoughts out there. |
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