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CPT
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Where can us degenerate criminals go to teach now? |
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So if it's true that anything other than a spotless criminal check will keep you out of Korea (well, prevent us from getting an E-2 visa), what do the rest of you menaces to society plan to do if you want to continue teaching abroad?
What other countries would be good options?
Or would you just find a way to teach in Korea anyway? |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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If I was in your shoes, I would hit SE Asia. Vietnam or Thailand. I got some friends that headed that way and are having the time of their lives. Nice weather, great food and a chilled out atmosphere....
Sorry you got bent over. One door closes another one opens. You will probably see this as god sent down the road.
Good luck
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soviet_man
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Come to mother Russia  We'll take you. |
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zizi
Joined: 01 Dec 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| How about China? |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Why not go home? South East Asia doesn't need any more loser criminals. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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For the record, as has been said like a million times, the US is the most law obsessed place on earth. FBI record list arrests, not convictions per se. Therefore, INNOCENT PEOPLE will not be able to get jobs in Korea, they are qualified for, because the Koreans will not recognize the difference between the two things. I've got some serious criminal charges against me, went to court, proved what was up, and let me tell you what a person does, and what it says on your record are not the same thing.
-Case in point, in my state a guy turned 19 he was going to Community College after graduation, and he was planning on marrying his highschool girlfried,17, after he got his AA. However, an ex ratted on him to the police, so he has a statutory rape arrest on his record. Now, after the DA heard this, they were shocked. Dropped the case, etc. But imagine having a stat. rape charge on your criminal record. What would you think it meant the guy does? Is a 19 year old sleeping with a 17 year old a crime? It is in some states. |
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paquebot
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
Location: Northern Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| soviet_man wrote: |
| Come to mother Russia We'll take you. |
How does the process work for getting a teaching position in Russia? Or do I even want to know?
p.s. Big Dima Bilan fan?  |
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MisterK19
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Here's the thing....you really only need a criminal background check from a state. The US criminal background check is NOT national. You go to your state courthouse and they run a STATEWIDE ONLY criminal background check. So, quite simply, you could go live in, say, Oregon for 2 months with a friend and then go through the procedure there while applying for a job. If you have a criminal background in Texas, it won't show up on your report.
It's obviously sneaky....and if it's too much trouble, you're probably better off just going elsewhere. |
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SirFink
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| soviet_man wrote: |
| Come to mother Russia We'll take you. |
Don't you mean: "We will break you."
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soviet_man
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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How does the process work for getting a teaching position in Russia? Or do I even want to know?
p.s. Big Dima Bilan fan? |
Most foreigners teaching ESL in Russia do so on a standard business visa. Which are valid for 12 months and are multi-entry except you have to do a visa run once every 6 months. (Russia has a land border with 12 other countries, so this is generally done very cheaply and easily by train and a few bottles of vodka over a long weekend).
Submitting the paperwork is straightforward and the school would do most of it. Degrees and criminal record checks not required, but there is a requirement for a HIV test and you register once you arrived. ESL certificates are looked on very favourably, but are not essential (it is called a printer).
Processing time for a business visa can be potentially within 24 hours if you pay the premium price, but realistically 2 weeks is standard and if you give yourself a month, you would be able to do it in plenty of time.
ESL in Russia at the moment is on par or above mainland China - in terms of wages and conditions. Hours are hugely less than Korea and vacation time more generous. You can do privates whenever you like.
Contracts are generally 6 to 9 months (which means you can come back to kimchi land for a summer camp or go on a long holiday in the off months).
Lower wages than Korea for sure, but you will have a vastly better time. All that plus Dima. What more could you want. |
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CPT
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
For the record, as has been said like a million times, the US is the most law obsessed place on earth. FBI record list arrests, not convictions per se. Therefore, INNOCENT PEOPLE will not be able to get jobs in Korea, they are qualified for, because the Koreans will not recognize the difference between the two things. I've got some serious criminal charges against me, went to court, proved what was up, and let me tell you what a person does, and what it says on your record are not the same thing.
-Case in point, in my state a guy turned 19 he was going to Community College after graduation, and he was planning on marrying his highschool girlfried,17, after he got his AA. However, an ex ratted on him to the police, so he has a statutory rape arrest on his record. Now, after the DA heard this, they were shocked. Dropped the case, etc. But imagine having a stat. rape charge on your criminal record. What would you think it meant the guy does? Is a 19 year old sleeping with a 17 year old a crime? It is in some states. |
And if that guy wanted to come teach here?
Good fuckin luck buddy! |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Where can us degenerate criminals go to teach now? |
Why not the place you all go to vacation: Thailand.
It'll save you time and airfare on your way to the drugs and under-aged hookers. |
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CPT
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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You guys do understand that I'm not talking about real criminals, right?
I thought it was pretty clear, but after reading some of the responses, I'm not so sure.
I'm talking about those of us who may or may not be denied entry on an E-2 visit to Korea because of an unpaid parking ticket, or an "arrest" for general mischief at a houseparty, or any number of petty infractions that tons of otherwise good people have stuck on their records. (And not even their real records...the vulnerable sector records, where any interaction you've ever had with police is recorded). |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: |
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I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Korean Immigration does not require a completely spotless criminal record.
The "zero-tolerance" applies to any charges relating to drugs, sex abuse, or violence. And they'll reject anyone who has served jail time for any charge... |
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee
Joined: 17 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Where can us degenerate criminals go to teach now? |
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| CPT wrote: |
So if it's true that anything other than a spotless criminal check will keep you out of Korea (well, prevent us from getting an E-2 visa), what do the rest of you menaces to society plan to do if you want to continue teaching abroad?
What other countries would be good options?
Or would you just find a way to teach in Korea anyway? |
Saudi Arabia and the UAE ought to be interesting. Pay looks good, you know as long as you're not killed in a bomb attack or shooting.
Might be worthwhile to steer clear of SE Asia as I imagine that's where a lot of the E-2 refugees will go who refuse to go home. |
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