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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Wow, Joo. Stratfor has really honed your crystal ball skillz. Notice how I spelled 'skillz' with a 'z?' That shows Respekt. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I am disappointed in the NH voters today. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Disappointed? Why? |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Out of all the wonderful women in the world, in the US, why do Americans give such a gift to that cow? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I am disappointed in the NH voters today. |
Me too, but it is certainly not over. Michigan is no doubt going to go for Clinton as is Florida. I have a sneaking feeling, once she wins, there are going to be some lawsuits trying to overturn the DNC's decision to not award delegates to her.
The next big ones are Nevada and SC though. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| cbclark4 wrote: |
| I am disappointed in the NH voters today. |
Me too, but it is certainly not over. Michigan is no doubt going to go for Clinton as is Florida. I have a sneaking feeling, once she wins, there are going to be some lawsuits trying to overturn the DNC's decision to not award delegates to her.
The next big ones are Nevada and SC though. |
Speaking of Michigan and Florida:
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February 5 controversy
Under Democratic National Committee rules, no state may hold their primaries or caucuses before February 5 with the exceptions of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.
The Florida legislature voted via House Bill 537 to up the date of their state's primary to January 29th, causing a chain reaction which moved many other states' primaries and caucuses to much earlier dates. The vote passed with bipartisan support 118 to 0 in the House, 37 to 2 in the Senate. Accordingly, the Democratic National Committee has ruled that Florida's delegates will not be seated, or, if seated, will not be able to vote, at the National Convention. Furthermore, the DNC has also stated that it will forbid any candidate from receiving delegates should they campaign in the Florida primary.[10] The DNC Rules Committee met on August 25, 2007 and ruled that Florida would have 30 days to move its primary date at least 7 days later than the current date of January 29, or else lose all of its delegates in the Democratic primary. Florida officials said they may challenge the ruling on legal grounds and protest the 2008 convention; additionally, the actual implementation of such a decision might prove to be difficult.[11]
Michigan has moved its primary to January 15, also in violation of party rules. On December 1, the Democratic National Committee voted to deny Michigan�s request to hold its primary on January 15 and declared that Michigan�s delegates will not count in the nominating contest unless Michigan moves its primary to a later date.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008
So it looks like Michigan and Florida might not even count. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| cbclark4 wrote: |
| I am disappointed in the NH voters today. |
Me too, but it is certainly not over. Michigan is no doubt going to go for Clinton as is Florida. I have a sneaking feeling, once she wins, there are going to be some lawsuits trying to overturn the DNC's decision to not award delegates to her.
The next big ones are Nevada and SC though. |
Speaking of Michigan and Florida:
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February 5 controversy
Under Democratic National Committee rules, no state may hold their primaries or caucuses before February 5 with the exceptions of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.
The Florida legislature voted via House Bill 537 to up the date of their state's primary to January 29th, causing a chain reaction which moved many other states' primaries and caucuses to much earlier dates. The vote passed with bipartisan support 118 to 0 in the House, 37 to 2 in the Senate. Accordingly, the Democratic National Committee has ruled that Florida's delegates will not be seated, or, if seated, will not be able to vote, at the National Convention. Furthermore, the DNC has also stated that it will forbid any candidate from receiving delegates should they campaign in the Florida primary.[10] The DNC Rules Committee met on August 25, 2007 and ruled that Florida would have 30 days to move its primary date at least 7 days later than the current date of January 29, or else lose all of its delegates in the Democratic primary. Florida officials said they may challenge the ruling on legal grounds and protest the 2008 convention; additionally, the actual implementation of such a decision might prove to be difficult.[11]
Michigan has moved its primary to January 15, also in violation of party rules. On December 1, the Democratic National Committee voted to deny Michigan�s request to hold its primary on January 15 and declared that Michigan�s delegates will not count in the nominating contest unless Michigan moves its primary to a later date.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008
So it looks like Michigan and Florida might not even count. |
You're right, MI and FL won't count. But they would be moral victories for whomever takes them. And only Hillary is on the MI ballot, so... |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
| Out of all the wonderful women in the world, in the US, why do Americans give such a gift to that cow? |
Anyone else think it's just a little bit "ODD" how Billary was, according to big media's coverage, down a full 10% in the polls just yesterday?
Then the whole thing over getting all choked up, emotional & all, almost even ... *sniff* ... crying 
Now she's the suprise "upset" winner ...
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Michigan and Florida WILL count for the Republicans though. It's just the Democrats where they will not acknowledge it.
That means the Republican Primary might be skewed because of it. Expect McCain to win largely and solely because of that fact.
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I really liked Iowa's CALL FOR CHANGE. New Hampshire seems to want 'politics of old'.
I'm not that keen on McCain, but Giuliani, Romney and Thompson are a change for some real ugly politics, so I guess its for the best.
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Funniest thing about this is Gravel only got 397 votes (so far out of 96 precincts counted). That's gotta be a low blow. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| cbclark4 wrote: |
| I am disappointed in the NH voters today. |
Me too, but it is certainly not over. Michigan is no doubt going to go for Clinton as is Florida. I have a sneaking feeling, once she wins, there are going to be some lawsuits trying to overturn the DNC's decision to not award delegates to her.
The next big ones are Nevada and SC though. |
Speaking of Michigan and Florida:
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February 5 controversy
Under Democratic National Committee rules, no state may hold their primaries or caucuses before February 5 with the exceptions of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.
The Florida legislature voted via House Bill 537 to up the date of their state's primary to January 29th, causing a chain reaction which moved many other states' primaries and caucuses to much earlier dates. The vote passed with bipartisan support 118 to 0 in the House, 37 to 2 in the Senate. Accordingly, the Democratic National Committee has ruled that Florida's delegates will not be seated, or, if seated, will not be able to vote, at the National Convention. Furthermore, the DNC has also stated that it will forbid any candidate from receiving delegates should they campaign in the Florida primary.[10] The DNC Rules Committee met on August 25, 2007 and ruled that Florida would have 30 days to move its primary date at least 7 days later than the current date of January 29, or else lose all of its delegates in the Democratic primary. Florida officials said they may challenge the ruling on legal grounds and protest the 2008 convention; additionally, the actual implementation of such a decision might prove to be difficult.[11]
Michigan has moved its primary to January 15, also in violation of party rules. On December 1, the Democratic National Committee voted to deny Michigan�s request to hold its primary on January 15 and declared that Michigan�s delegates will not count in the nominating contest unless Michigan moves its primary to a later date.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008
So it looks like Michigan and Florida might not even count. |
I still think there may be a court challange from Hillary Clinton when she wins these (notice I don't say if since she'll have little or no competition). I truly hope I'm wrong about this, but give her NH win, she is poised to do the same thing her husband did, which is come back strong.
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| You're right, MI and FL won't count. But they would be moral victories for whomever takes them. And only Hillary is on the MI ballot, so... |
Exactly, it will be tagged as more momentum in her candidacy, even if the delegates don't count. Then again, like I said, I smell a court challenge coming out of the HC camp. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| With these two neck and neck, the momentum for Nevada is hanging on a pending union endorsement right now. Obama is likely going to get SC, but if he gets NV, these wins will bookend Hillary's Michigan win and work to stifle any hype she gets from that. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| if he gets NV... |
Obama has taken a moralistic, semi-preachy position against gaming operations in the past. But he has recently changed his position somewhat and has begun accepting gaming campaign contributions.
Will be interesting to see how this might affect his standing and performance in the primary there. I will predict one thing, though: I doubt Obama will moralize against gaming while campaigning for Nevadans' votes. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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You know how nice it would be to not hear the names Bush and Clinton in a Presidential race? I was hoping that was going to happen soon, but alas, the NH voters decided to deny me that pleasure.
I've hit Hillary fatigue. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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it is crap like this that I wish Hillary was adios:
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Several New Hampshire women, some of them undecided until Tuesday, said that a galvanizing moment for them had been Mrs. Clinton�s unusual display of emotion on Monday as she described the pressures of the race and her goals for the nation � a moment Mrs. Clinton herself acknowledged as a breakthrough.
�I come tonight with a very, very full heart, and I want especially to thank New Hampshire,� Mrs. Clinton, who is seeking to become the first woman to be elected president, told supporters in Manchester. �Over the last week, I listened to you, and in the process I found my own voice.�
�I felt like we all spoke from our hearts, and I am so gratified you responded,� Mrs. Clinton said. Then, echoing her husband�s �Comeback Kid� speech after his surprise second-place finish in the primary here in 1992, she added, �Now together, let�s give America the kind of comeback that New Hampshire has just given me.�
The scene was noticeably different from the one in Iowa when Mrs. Clinton spoke after her loss in the caucuses. Instead of being surrounded by longtime Clinton supporters like former Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright, she went on stage with teenagers and young adults behind her. |
She has a breakdown and she gets rewarded for it. Give me a freaking break. And that young person thing... Talk about pathetic pandering.
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