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Kuros
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
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But blanket condemning biofuels isn't justified. |
Ethanol in particular is bollocks though. It has caused a disastrous rise in world food prices and is worse for global warming than petrol, once you factor in the use of carbon-spewing nitrogen fertilisers. |
Is it really worse? Its not the savior American politicians point to it as, but I thought it offered a very limited savings of 24% emissions gallon-to-gallon vs oil. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| OneWayTraffic wrote: |
But blanket condemning biofuels isn't justified. |
Ethanol in particular is bollocks though. It has caused a disastrous rise in world food prices and is worse for global warming than petrol, once you factor in the use of carbon-spewing nitrogen fertilisers. |
Mostly I think futures betting has caused the rise. Corn is just stupid. It's super subsidized by the tax payer in the USA. It's grown in the middle of the nation and the energy needs are on the coasts. I was listening to the Paul Harris podcast and he noted it's cheaper for Brazil to ship its ethanol to NYC in tankers than send it from Iowa to NYC. Pipelines in future would help, of course.
Ethanol can be made from any plant, even bacteria. Of course with oil at $100 a bbl one can make gas from coal and still make a profit.
Hybrids, instead of blending, are the way to go for the next decade out. But hybrids really need to get better MPGs. I see insane things like hybrid SUVs that get no better MPGs than the non hybrid version. But I guess it lets you drive in some HOV lanes. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| You know, a good long war can get rid of both the oil crisis and the food crisis. |
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Zutronius
Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Location: Suncheon
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| mateomiguel wrote: |
| You know, a good long war can get rid of both the oil crisis and the food crisis. |
As well as countless millions of lives. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| OneWayTraffic wrote: |
But blanket condemning biofuels isn't justified. |
Ethanol in particular is bollocks though. It has caused a disastrous rise in world food prices and is worse for global warming than petrol, once you factor in the use of carbon-spewing nitrogen fertilisers. |
I know people who are really p@#$ed that egg prices are three times what they used to be; also high chicken feed prices means keeping chickens isn't cheap any more either.
I love my over-size steaks(hooraah) and it annoys me that one day ethanol production is eventually going to up the cost of one of my greatest joys.
As for valuable resources in the 21st century would be, rare earth metals(China in Darfur, etc providing military assistance for mineral access) and most importantly, water. Without it(rivers, reserves) countries would become dependent on the economic policies of others for electricity needs(no power to run mocern everyday domestic/commercial technology without foreign ownership of local utilitys). |
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