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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:42 am Post subject: Letter of Release, New regulations, HELP!! |
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I need some help.
I've looked at many other threads, but with all the confusion regarding the new visa regulations and my specific situation, I'm struggling to find some concrete answers.
Briefly. My director, gave me a final written warning the other day for a seemingly trivial expense. In the meeting we had, he proceeded to display his anger (towards me, I assume), and made statements about how I appear to be unhappy in korea/at this job/etc, and that if i'm unhappy I should leave...this all caught me off-guard and I found myself in the "begging" position, and agreed to sign it. This is the second time he's tried to give me a final written warning, (perhaps two months ago, for another trivial offense).
I can't quite understand his reasoning behind this, (I'm a pretty good employee, who is well-liked and have had few problems). My school is your typical hagwon, where you have to fight tooth and nail for everything and still find yourself short, and I'm the the only FT. I have a few possible reasons for him putting the final written warning against my name...but i'll leave that as conjecture.
I feel as if I'm walking on eggshells and after a few days to reflect I've decided I want out. So my questions are:
1. Getting the LOR. I know that I can ask, if he refuses then what? If I am fired as opposed to resigning is he obliged to give me a LOR? Overall, what are my options?
2. With the new regulations (and the relief period until march 15). Assuming I get the LOR, would I need to leave Korea or provide the documents required for my visa? (I have a notarized copy of degree, transcripts etc, but I don't have the CRC or health-check). Can someone fill me in on what I need? and the process?
Sorry If my writing is a bit unclear, I'm naturally very stressed right now.
thanks in advance for any replies! |
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mehmeh

Joined: 23 May 2007 Location: South, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Wow, I've been in the exact same situation. Somehow my boss took the fact that I put my head down, worked hard and kept quiet (and didn't sexually harass the k-teachers) as a sign that I wasn't happy. I was baffled by the allegations and they came a complete surprise to me too so I know how you feel. Luckily, thanks to the support from the Korean teachers, I was able to stomach it all and wait three months for my contract to finish. Are you able to do this?
I wish I could help you with your E2 visa question. I know that if you quit according to the process spelled out in your contract he is obliged to give you a LoR. The same holds if he fires you. The trick is what he says to Immigration when he notifies them you have left...I assume that's where people end up on the supposed E2 "blacklist." Bring in a bottle of whiskey when you ask for the letter. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Letter of Release, New regulations, HELP!! |
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| Briefly. My director, gave me a final written warning the other day for a seemingly trivial expense. In the meeting we had, he proceeded to display his anger (towards me, I assume), and made statements about how I appear to be unhappy in korea/at this job/etc, and that if i'm unhappy I should leave...this all caught me off-guard and I found myself in the "begging" position, and agreed to sign it. This is the second time he's tried to give me a final written warning, (perhaps two months ago, for another trivial offense). |
I hope this isn't too late, but SIGN NOTHING! He's trying to manipulate you into saving him money. If he wants you gone, then he needs to follow the requirements of both the law and the contract. If you quit on him (which is what the "agree to sign" is), then he owes you nothing. If he fires you, he's supposed to give 30 days notice or 30 days pay in lieu.
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So my questions are:
1. Getting the LOR. I know that I can ask, if he refuses then what? If I am fired as opposed to resigning is he obliged to give me a LOR? Overall, what are my options? |
None. He is not obligated to give you the Letter of Release. Although the LoR regulation itself is obviously in violation of the SK Constitution, you would need big bucks to litigate that through the courts to get a determination. In other words, your options are: none.
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| 2. With the new regulations (and the relief period until march 15). Assuming I get the LOR, would I need to leave Korea or provide the documents required for my visa? (I have a notarized copy of degree, transcripts etc, but I don't have the CRC or health-check). Can someone fill me in on what I need? and the process? |
For this one, you'll have to check with the local Immigration Office serving the area of your new employer. |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies.
I haven't even reached the half-way mark at my contract, so trying to last it out, isn't really an option.
Unfortunatly, I signed the first and final written warning (one and the same). The last time, I refused, but this time I was caught totally off-guard, and I acknowledged I made the mistakes (albeit he is blowing it TOTALLY out of proportion). This is a big part of my reasoning for having to act fast as I'm aware he now has carte blanche to fire me...at any time from now till the end of my contract, whenever it best suits him.
The two replies have contrasting information. One says he is obliged to give me letter of release under the circumstances the other says not. Is it a case of he is obliged to give me my LOR but if he refuses there is nothing I can do about it...or??
mehmeh, you mentioned something about a "supposed E-2 blacklist". Could you care to elaborate,
Further, If anyone has some concrete information on what is required for immigration for a new job, that would be appreciated. The last thing I want is to fight for the LOR, obtain it and spend a very uncomfortable period working out my notice only to find myself on a plane back home anyways.
Finally. I meant to ask, assuming I get a new job, my visa will obviously expire a good couple of months short of a year, would I have to sign a shorter contract or extend my visa, or what are the options?
Thanks again. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| He is not obligated to give you a Letter of Release. In otherwords, he 'owns' you until your 'Period of Sojourn' expires. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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If you on a E2 "slave" visa you are sh!t outta luck....bend over and take it like a man....  |
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roknroll

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ...I haven't even reached the half-way mark at my contract, so trying to last it out, isn't really an option. ... |
As CentralCali mentioned 'SIGN NOTHING'--nothing negative like this ever. Since you want to move on, it doesn't matter about the signing now. You might find that the boss will change his attitude to get you to stay (keep us posted). When he knows your leaving for sure, he'll turn into even more of an A-hole. Unfortunately, the LOR is his decision. The letter of release only states that you no longer work there (nothing to do with why). What were you hoping to do after this job? If you got a job at a public school, i'm sure they could work around the LOR with immigration since there is a shortage and acceptance by a gov't school overrides a petty hagwon owner. (The law states you need a letter of release to get another job, but this is Korea so ya never know. Some owners use this as a tool to leverage money out of the next boss who wants to hire you) Whether it's another hagwon or public school, just go thru the process (apply, send docs to immy) then u'll get your answer). I think this has been done before by others, depends on the local immy. With regards to the new regulations, you would have to do a visa run with all the newly required documents. The CBC really depends on what country your from as to how quickly you can get it over here. Check the other threads about the new reg's for your country. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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When does your contact end?(Just want to know if he's lining you for an 11th month firing)
Anyway, I'd just switch to public school they have a lot of sway with immigration and can put a lot more pressure on your current boss to give a LOR. Although it's still difficult to say what will happen since not even immigration knows.
The E2 blacklist is when the employer tells a bunch of bs to immigration about you running away and what a bad person you were. You may be able to get around this by filing a complaint with immigration against your employer and giving your reasons for leaving. (good luck with that).
Anyway, best bet is PS |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Otherside,
It is difficult to give cogent advice without knowing the specifics of your situation.
What was the 'trivial' offence... and did you actually sign anything? |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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