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CP
Joined: 18 Jan 2007
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: Salary increases???? |
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Why speculate? Bargain and negotiate, as you would anytime for a teaching job in Korea or any other country for that matter, for what you think your fair market value is. It all comes down to your preferences and the hours you put in. Go with it.
If I was a newbie or someone with only 1 or 2 years experience I wouldn't try and get ahead of myself too much. Try and get a bit more than what they are offering you though, without being too greedy. Hagwons will be reluctant and unlikely to pay it at first - it's not likely they would cave in until after many months have passed and they have lost their student base. In the meaintime you are just sitting around.
Good luck. I'll let you know how my negotiations work out since my contract is done in March. |
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diablo3
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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I would have to disagree that those with 1 or 2 years experience should not get ahead of themselves. If you are confident, then why not? Why wait for an excuse they tell you such as "you don't have enough experience". For many, how much experience do you need to entertain or be a monkey? However I do agree with this, negotiate and bargain. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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A poster on a different thread raised an interesting point. They are going to ask for the part of the contract stipulating that they can only work at the institute be dropped.
This would be an interesting turn of events. If it is getting more and more difficult and expensive for crapwons to recruit teachers, then even newbies can negotiate to have this portion of the contract removed, or, better yet, rewritten to make it viable for them to do privates or work at other places.
This will be important. For years now, virtually all education-related institutions have been hiring on foreign teachers, and then loading them down with overtime hours at crap pay to avoid having to hire more teachers. Take this option away from them. At the very least, overtime hours will have to reflect market rates.
Besides, you can always make more doing a couple of privates than you can working an extra class or two every day at subpar overtime rates. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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PRagic wrote: |
A poster on a different thread raised an interesting point. They are going to ask for the part of the contract stipulating that they can only work at the institute be dropped.
This would be an interesting turn of events. If it is getting more and more difficult and expensive for crapwons to recruit teachers, then even newbies can negotiate to have this portion of the contract removed, or, better yet, rewritten to make it viable for them to do privates or work at other places.
This will be important. For years now, virtually all education-related institutions have been hiring on foreign teachers, and then loading them down with overtime hours at crap pay to avoid having to hire more teachers. Take this option away from them. At the very least, overtime hours will have to reflect market rates.
Besides, you can always make more doing a couple of privates than you can working an extra class or two every day at subpar overtime rates. |
For F- visas that is ofcourse no problem. E-2 Visa are still not allowed to teach, and that is not even considering the contract. |
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Netz

Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Salary increases???? |
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CP wrote: |
Why speculate? Bargain and negotiate, as you would anytime for a teaching job in Korea or any other country for that matter, .....................
Because you can't negotiate in Korea like you would in any other country, if you don't understand that, then you are a newb. They play by a completely different set of rules, and have been ranked some of the worst negotitaors in the world (they top the charts when it comes to self-interest in negotiations though).
a newbie or someone with only 1 or 2 years experience I wouldn't try and get ahead of myself too much.
Looks like you're doing fine then.
............ .it's not likely they would cave in until after many months have passed and they have lost their student base. In the meaintime you are just sitting around.
Just tell them you have a set of "Nuclear Powerd Golf Clubs" you'll bring over for them, if they pay you more. Hey, it works for North Korea about every 3-5 years. Honestly, bluffing them out, no matter how long it takes, is sometimes the ONLY way to progress a negotiation here.
Good luck. I'll let you know how my negotiations work out since my contract is done in March.
Good, you still have time to read Gavin Kennedy's "Everything is Negotiable". |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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E-2 holders CAN teach at other places IF they register with immigration, for which they have to have approval from their visa sponsor. This is the point I was making.
For F-2s and F-5s, teaching/working at other places CAN be a violation of contract terms; read all contracts carefully. No, this type of violation is not generally enforces, but you never know. Either way, I don't know any F-2/F-5 holders who would work at an institute! University contracts have to be checked, though. |
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