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huffdaddy
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How soon we forget...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/07/schneider.nh.polls/index.html
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| Hillary Clinton is still in first place among New Hampshire Democratic primary voters with 35 percent naming her as their top choice. But Barack Obama has vaulted into the number two spot with 21 percent, and former Sen. John Edwards is at number three at 16 percent. |
Results:
Hillary Clinton 112,251 39% 9
Barack Obama 104,772 36% 9
John Edwards 48,681 17% 4 |
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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
How soon we forget...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/07/schneider.nh.polls/index.html
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| Hillary Clinton is still in first place among New Hampshire Democratic primary voters with 35 percent naming her as their top choice. But Barack Obama has vaulted into the number two spot with 21 percent, and former Sen. John Edwards is at number three at 16 percent. |
Results:
Hillary Clinton 112,251 39% 9
Barack Obama 104,772 36% 9
John Edwards 48,681 17% 4 |
The controversy is over the EXIT polls, not the polls leading up to the primary. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| Beeyee wrote: |
The controversy is over the EXIT polls, not the polls leading up to the primary. |
Actually both. You must realize that any individual poll can contain statistical errors and sampling biases. Which is why we should consider the collective voice of the large number of polls which placed Hillary well in the lead for most of the pre-primary time period. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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The Democrat Party primary vote recount in New Hampshire has begun, partially paid for by the Kucinich campaign.
The Republican Party recount is also to begin, having been completely funded by one individual Republican Party member from Michigan.
according to this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue9cVhj8c6c
Interesting. I don't expect any real change in the vote totals, but it will be useful to either find some vote counting problem or show that the counting was honest.
Of course, there could be fraud in the ballot handling.
(In Maine, after the Democrat party had won EVERY recount undertaken in Augusta over a period of many years, two employees of the Democrat State Assembly speaker John Martin were caught stuffing the ballot boxes held in the state legislative offices pending a recount. They were convicted and jailed for short terms.)
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| The Democrat Party primary vote recount in New Hampshire has begun, partially paid for by the Kucinich campaign. |
as much as i like obama, i have to respect kucinich's balls. the guy is the real tony montana.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Have you been putting your hands where they don't belong again? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
Of course, there could be fraud in the ballot handling.
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Predictions that this will occur.
Interesting mind you the inverse ratios re: Klinton's numbers vs. Osama's when looking at the electronic "votes" as compared to the hand tallies.
Obvious criminals.
Too much "secrecy", why should we expect anything less?
As far as i'm circumcised too much secrecy = ZERO legitimacy.
1-16-08: How New Hampshire is sizing up
We are finding in New Hampshire: the best of the best in MOST situations, but considerable naivete and in some areas, and an alarming and wilfull negligence.
Among the "best of the best" of New Hampshire situations:
(1) Beautiful, community oriented hand counted paper ballots in more than one hundred jurisdictions.
(2) Very democratic and participatory township structure of government, combined with very high level of representation of local areas in the state legislature
(3) Amazing level of responsiveness of public officials. Secretary of State Bill Gardner, for example, answers questions personally and tirelessly from just about everyone. Many, many high level officials perfectly willing to talk with and answer all questions from the public.
(4) Beautiful, participatory 100% hand counted recounts.
(5) Very good public records laws. If they have it in their possession, they let you see it THAT DAY. Along those lines, Paddy Shaffer did a hand written records request today which elicited some very good information. The dream team here is in the process of editing another request as I write this.
On the almost schizophrenically BAD side:
(1) A reckless reliance on a sole source private contractor. Not particularly bothered that the company has private chain of custody during critical points, no policy or even apparent concern with having convicted felons involved in the voting system.
(2) Use of a system with known defects without even taking any mitigation steps that other states took.
(3) NO REQUIREMENT to even save the memory cards. The explanation is that they get a disk with the "program" on it. VotersUnite attorney Jon Bonifaz questioned the assistant attorney general on this closely today, because federal law requires records retention of 22 months on electronic media.
New Hampshire has a haphazard policy of allowing the memory cards to be kept, or not, with a chain of custody, or not, shipping back to LHS, or not, and it's perfectly okay with New Hampshire if the memory cards are erased altogether the day after the election. They profess to believe that if they just have LHS ship them a disk containing some purported program -- BEFORE the election, when there aren't even any votes registered -- everything is okay. No one could tell us if this is the memory card program, or the GEMS database file, or the optical scan chip. They seem to have no idea what they are doing with this and I would call this wilfull ignorance ... more
1-15-08: Can recount chain of custody be rescued?
At this point we can pretty much guarantee the New Hampshire recount for Kucinich will match -- and that's not a good thing, because unless chain of custody can be documented properly, the recount doesn't provide real answers.
Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich did not order a statewide recount today, only two counties, and the Republican candidate, Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether. I'll write more on the details later this week.
I have been doing field work since Saturday here in New Hampshire. Donations have been helping underwrite the costs of a citizen dream team: I invited some outstanding people to join me here to evaluate chain of custody for the recount: Susan Pynchon (Florida Fair Elections Coalition, has helped unravel the Sarasota situation); Melisa Urda (Illinois Ballot Integrity Project, has helped get the Illinois attorney general to issue a special directive ordering DuPage County to follow the law); and Paddy Shaffer (Ohio Election Justice Campaign, with Richard Hayes Phillips helped unravel the ballot chain of custody in Ohio). Others, like Election Defense Alliance Sally Castleman, have been organizing a team of citizen videographers, while Bruce O'Dell and Theron Horton have been quietly crunching the numbers to pinpoint locations with unusual footprints. (I also hoped to have the great Kathleen Wynne, but had to red-eye out to New Hampshire on such short notice that the timing didn't work this time.)
VERDICT: New Hampshire is unable to document its chain of custody properly, lacks written procedures, its secretary of state has said he doesn't know where its memory cards are, and LHS has been encroaching on state elections with near-total control. I'll be preparing a Special Report when I return from New Hampshire with documents and video to support this assessment.
VIDEO CAMERA CONFISCATION?
In New Hampshire, ballots are brought from each town and ward to a central location for recounts. We got a tip today that the location would be the state archive building, so we went there hoping for a walk-through.
There, police told us that videotaping the delivery of the ballots and the unloading of the ballots, would be prohibited and cameras would be confiscated if people were caught doing this. The rationale, we were told, was that they had placed the ballot delivery area in a state building with a parking lot that belonged to a mental hospital located on the grounds about a block away.
On the theory that ... more ...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ |
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