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Gladiator
Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: Horrific Justice for Korean girl attacked in Vancouver |
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I lived in South Korea for seven years and would be the last to deny that foreigners seldom enjoy impartiality and disinterested justice in that country. I was myself physically assaulted once and nothing was done to find the attacker.
When I saw this story though I wept. Xenophobia and partisanship on the one hand deny justice to foreigners in South Korea perhaps, but isn't this absolutely disgraceful piece of leniency from British Columbian courts just as heinous?
http://www.metronews.ca/story_local.aspx?id=102624 |
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Horrific Justice for Korean girl attacked in Vancouver |
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| Gladiator wrote: |
I lived in South Korea for seven years and would be the last to deny that foreigners seldom enjoy impartiality and disinterested justice in that country. I was myself physically assaulted once and nothing was done to find the attacker.
When I saw this story though I wept. Xenophobia and partisanship on the one hand deny justice to foreigners in South Korea perhaps, but isn't this absolutely disgraceful piece of leniency from British Columbian courts just as heinous?
http://www.metronews.ca/story_local.aspx?id=102624 |
I am weeping with you. This is a horrible story of justice gone awry. I do not deny the beauty of revenge though. I hope the family can get theirs without getting caught.
Peace (where it is deserved) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Even the full 9-year sentence was too lenient for what he did. |
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blaseblasphemener
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Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Hold fking *beep*, that is beyond ridiculous. For all the bleeding heart liberals who used to scoff at the Reform Party when they were pushing for tougher sentencing, this is what you get. I hope Harper uses some of his common sense to bring new legislation that will not allow someone like that to get out, period. Dangerous offenders and pedophiles should be locked up and throw away the key. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| That is disgusting. Canada is such a screwy place. |
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Gladiator
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Location: Seoul
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Truth in Sentencing |
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Truth in sentencing
National Post
Published: Wednesday, October 24, 2007
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Reports suggest that a corrections-policy panel convened by the federal government last year and led by former Ontario correctional services minister Rob Sampson is about to hand down its final report, which will recommend the substantive abandonment of Canada's long-standing program of statutory release. Since Pierre Trudeau's 1969 justice reforms, all but the most politically visible or intractably violent Canadian prisoners have been automatically set free two-thirds of the way into their formal jail sentences. The various conservative parties have long sought to bring penology back into line with the terms of imprisonment written down in the Criminal Code, and while the issue was not specifically touched on in the program for crime prevention in the recent Throne Speech, it is one that Prime Minister Stephen Harper has mentioned in past campaign speeches. At a time when the Conservatives are feeding the scared Liberal opposition "poison pills" like a goose farmer making foie gras, Mr. Sampson's report may at last provide the occasion for a long-discussed step that has always been popular in public opinion surveys but that never seemed possible before.
In general, criminologists and corrections officials hate the idea of making early release an occasional reward instead of a nondiscretionary fait accompli. They point out that it will make our prisons more crowded and more costly to run. It would, of course, be cheaper not to have prisons at all-- cheaper for the government, that is; every liberated criminal who re-offends after serving time represents a potential cost to the government that has been passed on to a victim (or an insurance company).
Arranging social costs so that they fall disproportionately on people who live in bad neighbourhoods, or who are otherwise less capable of defending themselves, has never sounded like genuine liberalism to us. But that is the tacit nature of the argument. The response from the establishment is usually that these costs are pretty small in the grand scheme of things, because "only" a significant minority of prisoners re-offend while on statutory release. But that calculation depends heavily on how you assign a dollar value to human life and the security of the Canadian home.
The more convincing argument for statutory release is that it provides a vital bridge from the jailhouse to total freedom, one that, if burned, would probably create more recidivism than it prevented in keeping crooks and thugs in jail 50% longer. The small-c conservative will naturally be somewhat skeptical about the need for such a bridge; liberals have always claimed that criminals are people who are inherently poorly integrated with society, but most of us who obey the law suspect they've just consciously chosen to prey upon it.
At any rate, our system of preparing convicts for freedom never had to depend on an arbitrary rollback in prison sentences in the first place, and it doesn't have to depend on sticking with Mr. Trudeau's permanent partial amnesty now. Judges can insist on whatever requirements for rehabilitation and parole they like when they are wielding the gavel; both sides of the debate over statutory release have suggested, at times, that the judiciary should exercise more specificity in sentencing terms, paying more attention to the path from incarceration to freedom. Moreover, the Sampson report is expected to recommend more sophisticated vocational training for prisoners, which is probably a good idea and one that criminologists will doubtless support (despite their supposed concerns over the cost of imprisonment).
The most important thing we lost when real jail time was divorced from the Criminal Code penalties was public confidence in the justice system. Hardly anything is more important in the long term for a schema of government. A justice system that doesn't address fundamental, even atavistic human cravings for fairness, is destined to lead to pervasive social insecurity and anarchic, vigilantist reaction. If the state isn't seen to do right, people will seek alternatives to the state.
In that light, it is a major mistake to operate a "three years means two years" scam that strikes nearly everyone who hears about it as a bizarre abomination of language. It creates the pervasive suspicion that punishment is thought distasteful by the guardians of law and order and that they wish to maintain the appearance of retributive justice without actually exercising it. Can Canadians be blamed, after all these years, for wanting prisons that are really prisons, sentences that aren't one-third fictional and laws that mean what they say? |
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http://www.financialpost.com/working/Story.html?id=52382&p=1 |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Horrific Justice for Korean girl attacked in Vancouver |
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| Gladiator wrote: |
I lived in South Korea for seven years and would be the last to deny that foreigners seldom enjoy impartiality and disinterested justice in that country. I was myself physically assaulted once and nothing was done to find the attacker.
When I saw this story though I wept. Xenophobia and partisanship on the one hand deny justice to foreigners in South Korea perhaps, but isn't this absolutely disgraceful piece of leniency from British Columbian courts just as heinous?
http://www.metronews.ca/story_local.aspx?id=102624 |
I never understood this whole sentencing thing. Is someone going to be less of a risk if let out after nine years rather than five? Punishment shouldn't be the objective here; protecting society should be.
If someone (especially a violent offender) is at a substantial risk to reoffend, then they shouldn't be let into society. Period. All sentences should be life, or death, the onus is on the offender to show that they possess no further risk. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Horrific Justice for Korean girl attacked in Vancouver |
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If someone (especially a violent offender) is at a substantial risk to reoffend, then they shouldn't be let into society. Period. All sentences should be life, or death, the onus is on the offender to show that they possess no further risk. |
ALL sentences? What about NON-violent offenders? |
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OneWayTraffic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: Re: Horrific Justice for Korean girl attacked in Vancouver |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| OneWayTraffic wrote: |
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If someone (especially a violent offender) is at a substantial risk to reoffend, then they shouldn't be let into society. Period. All sentences should be life, or death, the onus is on the offender to show that they possess no further risk. |
ALL sentences? What about NON-violent offenders? |
I was typing in a hurry. In any case violence is, obviously, a key factor. Not the only factor though, persistent drunk/dangerous drivers deserve freedom no more IMO. I consider risk to society to be the main factor and sentences should reflect this as well as the punitive aspects. |
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seoul_nhl
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Horrific Justice for Korean girl attacked in Vancouver |
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| Gladiator wrote: |
I lived in South Korea for seven years and would be the last to deny that foreigners seldom enjoy impartiality and disinterested justice in that country. I was myself physically assaulted once and nothing was done to find the attacker.
When I saw this story though I wept. Xenophobia and partisanship on the one hand deny justice to foreigners in South Korea perhaps, but isn't this absolutely disgraceful piece of leniency from British Columbian courts just as heinous?
http://www.metronews.ca/story_local.aspx?id=102624 |
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It sucks! Oh well, SAME SAME......................There are more horror stories here about what happens to foreigners being mistreated, but its all hushed!! To keep face
But I do agree its shameful! |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Justice has absolutely nothing to do with courts and their penalties. Courtrooms and judges are all about following the rules of law and justice may sometimes be a mere accidental side-effect of that. And it would appear to have not happened here. From the sounds of it, this offender may attack someone else and there will be another victim. Hooray for the courts!! This is a travesty; there is already one tragic victim and the court system seems to be making no efforts to stop more from happening. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| That is disgusting. |
Seconded.
And according to the article, the guy showed no remorse up until the time of his release.
Bravo. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: |
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At least the guy was apprehended, tried, convicted of a crime and sentenced.
A foreign girl in Korea would have been ignored by the police, or told that she should be flattered because her attacker liked her. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
At least the guy was apprehended, tried, convicted of a crime and sentenced.
A foreign girl in Korea would have been ignored by the police, or told that she should be flattered because her attacker liked her. |
What a dumb thing to say. |
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