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cunning_stunt
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 Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: Canada puts US on torture list . |
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From BBC
The United States has been listed as a country where prisoners are at risk of torture in a training document produced by the Canadian foreign ministry.
It also classifies some US interrogation techniques as torture.
The manual - part of a training course on torture awareness for diplomats - also includes Israel, China, Iran and Afghanistan on its watch list.
A government spokesman said the manual did not reflect the views of Canada, which is an ally of the US and Israel.
"The training manual is not a policy document and does not reflect the views or policies of this government," said a spokesman for Foreign Minister Maxime Bernier.
The manual lists US interrogation techniques such as forced nudity, isolation, sleep deprivation and the blindfolding of prisoners under "definition of torture".
It also refers to the US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba where a Canadian man is being held. Critics say it ridicules Ottawa's claims that Omar Khadr is not being mistreated.
There was no immediate response from either the US or Israel.
Exonerated
The document was provided to Amnesty International as part of a court case it is bringing against the Canadian government over the treatment of detainees in Afghanistan.
Canada has come under growing criticism following allegations that detainees were tortured in Afghanistan after its soldiers transferred suspects to Afghan security forces.
Amnesty is calling for stopping all transfers of prisoners to the Afghan authorities.
The torture awareness course was introduced after Ottawa was strongly criticised for its handling of the case of a Canadian who was deported from the US to Syria in 2002.
Syrian-born Maher Arar - who was accused of being an al-Qaeda member - says he was tortured during his 10 months in a Damascus jail - a claim strongly denied by Syria.
A Canadian government inquiry exonerated Mr Arar of any links with terrorist groups. It also showed that Canadian diplomats had not had any formal training on how to detect whether detainees had been abused.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| You ought to get a link for this story and post it on the CE forum. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Canada puts US on torture list . |
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| the BBC wrote: |
The United States has been listed as a country where prisoners are at risk of torture
It also classifies some US interrogation techniques as torture. |
How can this be? The US doesn't torture people. Bush has said so himself. I believe him. |
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skibum80
Joined: 19 Jan 2008
Location: Austin
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: I am a Texan |
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| Coming from a native Texan, the state o'l GW is from, I can totally see why the Canadian Gov. would put this out. More countries should do this but I think they like the $ coming in. Even in Texas, there are a lot of people who are fed up with o'l GW. I live in Austin and you won't find very many Bush backers anymore. Thank Goodness |
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Thunndarr
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper, you ball-less little toad... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| It would seem principles in Canada have a price. |
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jacob7207
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: I am a Texan |
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| skibum80 wrote: |
| Coming from a native Texan, the state o'l GW is from, I can totally see why the Canadian Gov. would put this out. More countries should do this but I think they like the $ coming in. Even in Texas, there are a lot of people who are fed up with o'l GW. I live in Austin and you won't find very many Bush backers anymore. Thank Goodness |
I'm from Philadelphia. In Pennsylvania you will still find sh**loads of Bush supporters with the exception of Philly. I moved to Alaska two years ago and was surprised at the amount of GWB lovers up there. "Oh, he's the greatest president we ever had, blah blah blah, where's my shotgun?"
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cangel
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I would torture the h e l l out of a person if I truly believed they had information that could save lives. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| cangel wrote: |
| I would torture the h e l l out of a person if I truly believed they had information that could save lives. |
then what are you doing teaching english in south korea? surely there's a position for you in the US government. |
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Korlingus
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
| cangel wrote: |
| I would torture the h e l l out of a person if I truly believed they had information that could save lives. |
then what are you doing teaching english in south korea? surely there's a position for you in the US government. |
The question is, what are you doing teaching here? There are plenty of seal pups waiting to be clubbed in the maritimes!  |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| cangel wrote: |
| I would torture the h e l l out of a person if I truly believed they had information that could save lives. |
That's not in question. The question is whether it is done in the US or not. The answer is that it is, but they have other names for it. If you tortured someone for information, would you say you were "torturing" them or "using interrogation techniques?" |
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suneV
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: At the Flop
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
| cangel wrote: |
| I would torture the h e l l out of a person if I truly believed they had information that could save lives. |
then what are you doing teaching english in south korea? surely there's a position for you in the US government. |
Man - get your arse down to Guantanamo - pronto! |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper, you ball-less little toad... |
As has been stated, this manual "is not a policy document and does not reflect the views or policies of this government"
Now if it WERE official policy and Harper reversed it, then I could agree with your assessment of him.
But if it is not policy, where's your evidence that he even knew that Israel and the U.S. were on the list or that he even knew about the manual until after the U.S. and Israel complained? |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| cangel wrote: |
| I would torture the h e l l out of a person if I truly believed they had information that could save lives. |
Except that torture doesn't work. People will make things up just to stop the pain. At the end of World War II, the Americans discovered that they could get more and more accurate information from German prisoners-of-war through gaining their confidence than through torture. That was more than 60 years ago. |
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