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panthermodern · Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Taxronto

Is it just me .... (I know this always gets me in trouble, but...)

Is it just me or is this the most split thread ever?

panthermodern · Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Taxronto

William Beckerson · Guest

By "defining things better", you are removing the wiggle room.

It also allows users to slap the mods in the face when they dont act they way they think they should.

buddy bradley · Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Location: The Beyond

Hello everybody.

The Song Titles Game needs to be smashed, as does the Who Will Win The Rugby World Cup (when it's finished; bye-bye boomerangs) and many more threads! It will (might?) make the search function more effective.

Goodbye everybody.

Raoul Duke · Guest

Tiger Beer · Joined: 07 Feb 2003

Austin · Joined: 23 May 2003 Location: In the kitchen

Beckerson,

Thank you for addressing the original point of my post.

When a mod comments on other posters (while acting as a user), the mod undermines his/her ability as a moderator. Impartiality is thrown out the window!

rudyflyer · Joined: 26 Feb 2003 Location: pacing the cage

Austin you fail to realize that when a moderator is involved in a thread he automatically takes himself or herself out of moderating that thread to remove any perception of bias in the thread.

When I was a moderator we had this happen a number of times and when a subject would become contreversal, another mod would be asked to take over looking at the thread. I know for a fact as I have been asked to do this and have asked others to look at threads I've been involved in and when I took actions on a thread I was involved in I was rightly critcized by the other mods

to imply that because a moderator is involved in a thread that that mod is active in any decision involving it or becomes less unbiased is aboslutely ludicrous. There are enough moderators here to allow unbiased decisions to me made on all topics here.

Austin · Joined: 23 May 2003 Location: In the kitchen

Rudyfly,

I was not speaking about a moderator actively posting in a thread as a user. I understand and accept what you have stated. However, I was referring to moderators voicing their personal feelings/opinions about users, when acting in the capacity as a moderator.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=5718&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=pieboy&start=30

steroidmaximus:

William Beckerson · Guest

Mr. Kalgukshi · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: One more time...

Austin wrote:

"Again, why permit moderators to publicly voice their opinions about a user, when users can not publicly voice their opinions about moderators?

An answer to the above would be appreciated."

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"Publicly" and "opinions" are the key words here. It needs to stop happening from both directions.

And when a Mod (posting as a Mod or User - Not sure there is a difference if the poster is identified as a Mod) does it, it calls into question the impartiality and objectivity of the Mod. Unfortunately, it also tends to reflect on all the Mods.

To the extent it has been happening, it needs to cease.

just because · Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964

Austin · Joined: 23 May 2003 Location: In the kitchen

Beckerson,

Are you finally capitulating and admitting that it is impossible for the moderators to remain fair and unbiased in the application of the policies to all users?

Beckerson:

Rand Al Thor · Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Locked in an epic struggle

The Lemon · Joined: 11 Jan 2003

R.A.T. makes a good point. This isn't a debate about moderators publicly expressing opinions, as much as some are portraying it as such, but whether moderators should use "sock puppets" or not.

When moderators use(d) "socks", we were able to express our personal opinions without having to worry that what we say might be taken by some as a reflection on or representative of the moderators as a whole (Mr. K's point). No matter how many frigging times we say here, "our views are our own only", people will still pick at us for expressing our opinions - on issues, on relations with other users...

In many ways we're the easiest targets on the board.

Had steroidmaximus written the "ambivalent" comment using a "sock", Austin nor anyone else would ever have known the opinion was coming from a moderator, and he wouldn't have it thrown in his face half a year later. Most of us *don't* use socks, though we have no rule against it. I used to, but stopped after being "outed", and because I began to feel that there was something inherently dishonest about using one. Perhaps this discussion will lead to me reconsidering that decision.