Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Residency Certification (official proof of residency)

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Rae



Joined: 10 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Residency Certification (official proof of residency) Reply with quote

I called my local city tax board and was told the only way I can get this document is if I own a house.

Is there another term for Residency Certification (official proof of residency)? What documents will be accepted for Korean Income Tax Exemption? I'm in California.

Thank you!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
22tea77



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
Location: United States

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Residency Certification (official proof of residency) Reply with quote

[quote="Rae"]I called my local city tax board and was told the only way I can get this document is if I own a house.
[/quote]

I've not heard that one before but it wouldn't be the first time I have been wrong when it comes to US Tax Law.
Anyhow, go to www.irs.gov and do a search for form 8802. I believe that is what is needed.
Hope that helps.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Rae



Joined: 10 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bless you! Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
hammy-I-ammy



Joined: 14 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double bless you. Laughing
There were even down loadable instructions!

Many Thanks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
22tea77



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
Location: United States

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the double blessing...however..
Keep an eye on my still unsettled thread above in regard to Taxes for Americans and EPIK exclusion.
I STILL can't get an answer as to whether or not applying for this exclusion will in any way affect the eligibility for the Foreign Income Exclusion.
If it comes down to one or the other (although I'm not sure this is the case!) it will DEFINATELY be better to pay the Korean Taxes and take the Foreign Income Exclusion.
Stay posted!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
the dakota kid



Joined: 20 Jul 2004
Location: Not in Seoul...

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: IRS calls=frustration & links to forms Reply with quote

I have called the IRS several times and I have received different stories from each of the assistants.

Here are links to appropriate forms:

8802: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8802.pdf
Guide to filling out the 8802: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i8802.pdf
Korea Tax treaty 1976: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/korea.pdf
Technical aspects of the treaty: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/koreatrweb.pdf

The treaty does have section for teachers specifically (denoting the two year limit)

ARTICLE 20
Teachers
Paragraph (1) provides that where a resident of one Contracting State is invited by the
Government of the other Contracting State, a political subdivision, or a local authority thereof, or
by a university or other recognized educational institution in that other Contracting State to come
to that other Contracting State for a period not expected to exceed two years for the purpose of
teaching or engaging in research, or both, at a university or other recognized educational
institution, and such resident comes to that other Contracting State primarily for such purpose,
his income from personal services for teaching or research at the university or educational
institution will be exempt from tax by that other Contracting State for a period not exceeding two
years from the date of his arrival in that other Contracting State.
Since a temporary visit may be of such a duration that an individual may lose his status as
a resident of the Contracting State of which he was a resident at the time he became eligible for
the benefits of this Article, the individual need only be a resident of such Contracting State at the
beginning of his visit. However, if the individual becomes a citizen of, or acquires immigrant
status in, the other Contracting State, that other Contracting State may tax the individual without
regard to this Article. See paragraphs (4) and (5)(b) of Article 4 (General Rules of Taxation). If
the individual's visit exceeds a period of two years from the date of his arrival, the exemption
applies only to the income received by the individual before the expiration of such two year
period.
Pursuant to paragraph (2), this Article does not apply to income from research undertaken
primarily for the private benefit of a specific person or persons.

Still researching the possibility of not paying US or Korean taxes.

Any current EPIK applicants willing to comment or explain their process?

Thanks,
tdk

EDIT: After more than hour on the phone, this is the latest story: I am exempt from both taxes. Fill out the 8802 form (request for residency certification), submit it to the IRS and wait. When the form arrives (Form 6166/Residency certification), submit it to the SK gov. When filing my taxes, fill out form 2555: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f2555.pdf , questions 13a and 13b directly are affected by the prior form 8802/6166. I will not pass the bona fide residency test, but I will pass the physical presence test. I am therefore liable for all income earned over 85,700 USD. My income will not exceed this amount, so I should be exempt

Does this sound correct to anyone?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
juskajo



Joined: 29 Oct 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

on the 8802 form, is there a general POE address the residency certification can be mailed to? i leave for korea in a week, and i doubt the certification will make it here by then.

any idea how long this usually takes?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
22tea77



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
Location: United States

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: IRS calls=frustration & links to forms Reply with quote

the dakota kid wrote:

EDIT: After more than hour on the phone, this is the latest story: I am exempt from both taxes. Fill out the 8802 form (request for residency certification), submit it to the IRS and wait. When the form arrives (Form 6166/Residency certification), submit it to the SK gov. When filing my taxes, fill out form 2555: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f2555.pdf , questions 13a and 13b directly are affected by the prior form 8802/6166. I will not pass the bona fide residency test, but I will pass the physical presence test. I am therefore liable for all income earned over 85,700 USD. My income will not exceed this amount, so I should be exempt

Does this sound correct to anyone?

In all my reading, phone calls, and informed replies to my other post, I have come to exactly the same answer! Can not engrave it in stone, but it gets my Vote!!
We just have to make sure that we are on foreign soil 330 out of 365 days. (That, and make sure EPIK isn't paying us at a rate of over 85,700 a year!! Very Happy)
Glad to see someone else ran into conflicting interpretaions from the IRS. Wonder if that happens when they audit people too!! :
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Jessie41



Joined: 14 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juskajo wrote:
on the 8802 form, is there a general POE address the residency certification can be mailed to? i leave for korea in a week, and i doubt the certification will make it here by then.

any idea how long this usually takes?


It took about 5 weeks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
juskajo



Joined: 29 Oct 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jessie41 wrote:
juskajo wrote:
on the 8802 form, is there a general POE address the residency certification can be mailed to? i leave for korea in a week, and i doubt the certification will make it here by then.

any idea how long this usually takes?


It took about 5 weeks.


lovely. can't really cut it much closer than that.

so what happens if it doesn't arrive in time? does that mean i get to pay taxes?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
Ut videam



Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juskajo wrote:
Jessie41 wrote:
juskajo wrote:
on the 8802 form, is there a general POE address the residency certification can be mailed to? i leave for korea in a week, and i doubt the certification will make it here by then.

any idea how long this usually takes?


It took about 5 weeks.


lovely. can't really cut it much closer than that.

so what happens if it doesn't arrive in time? does that mean i get to pay taxes?

Tell them the residency certificate is on its way. Worst case, if they still insist on withholding tax, you'll get it back after the certificate arrives.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ut videam



Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Residency certificate in under 2 weeks! Reply with quote

My Form 6166 arrived in the mail today. I mailed the request on January 29, so the turnaround time was 1 day short of 2 weeks. I paid the $35 fee online, which may have sped up the processing. If you go that route, make sure you write the payment confirmation number in the space provided near the top of Form 8802.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Rae



Joined: 10 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have it sent to a relative or friends house and have them send it to you. The dakota kid, thank you! I've been hearing conflicting info as well and decided to not submit it just yet. I will today.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
22tea77



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
Location: United States

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Residency certificate in under 2 weeks! Reply with quote

Ut videam wrote:
My Form 6166 arrived in the mail today. I mailed the request on January 29, so the turnaround time was 1 day short of 2 weeks. I paid the $35 fee online, which may have sped up the processing. .

I mailed mine out on January 28, but paid by check. The check didn't clear until Feb. 1. Still haven't received the 6166!
Guess paying the fee online was the right call.

UPDATE: Today is the 19th.
Just picked up my last mail before leaving for Korea and still NO 6166!
For anyone sending in the 8802 in the future, all other things being equal, sure looks like paying online will get you a much faster response!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International