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On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:02 am Post subject:

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Because we all know gays, women, and blacks have ever asked for any sort of "tolerance" or "accommodation."

Huffdaddy:

You might want to consider that some people check this website at work, and, given the current climate in Korea, probably don't need to have that particular "gay" website coming up on their computer screens. At least not without a warning as to the content.

If you're trying to say that gays, like Muslims, have their fringe groups, point taken.

stillnotking

Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:15 am Post subject:

thepeel wrote:

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What's that supposed to mean? That the Dutch should abandon their liberal principles and ban this movie out of deference to Iranian sensibilities?

The Dutch are going to remain liberal people, but the political institutions belong to those with a numerical majority.

"The Dutch" includes those whom the Dutch have allowed to legally immigrate to their shores, does it not?

thepeel wrote:

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Man, I'm sick of conservatives arguing that insistent adherence to the principles of a free and open society makes you a wimp. O ye of little faith!

I'm not a conservative. A free and open society has to be defended. They are neither born randomly nor totally self-sustaining. The principles of freedom and liberty have to be continually fought for against those who would destroy them.

I couldn't agree more. That's why I fight tirelessly against anyone, of any political persuasion, who wants to ban free speech. It's called being a liberal. So what was your point again?

thepeel wrote:

There is nothing about 'free and open societies' that says we must accept hundreds of thousands of people who have no desire to be 'free and open'. That is cultural suicide.

No, that's the business of the Dutch. If they want to legally accept law-abiding Moslem immigrants, who are you to tell them they can't? "Cultural suicide"? I wonder if you have any idea how hyperbolic and ridiculous that phrase sounds.

thepeel wrote:

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You want to know what free, liberal, tolerant societies do with waves of traditionalist immigrants? We absorb them. It's the same thing America did with Irish and Italian Catholics in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

Actually, Europe has very little experience with "absorbing" anybody that is non-European. And they are doing a terrible job now. Surrender isn't absorbing. Calling those who want to maintain a free and open society "fascists" or other bullsh.it names does not maintain a free and open society.

By the way, The Netherlands isn't in America.

You've totally lost me here. I'm calling people who want to maintain a free and open society "fascists"? Cite please. The people I'm calling fascists are the people who want to censor political speech. Anyone's political speech.

thepeel wrote:

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I'm a whole lot less scared of Moslems than I am of closet fascists using the "Moslem plague" as an excuse to institute authoritarian social controls. Now that will undermine and destroy the West.

Firstly, it is spelled muslim, not moslem. I know you lefties multiculti types like to makes stuff up as you go along.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enSG215SG215&q=moslems&btnG=Search&meta=
Did you know that moslem is actually the offensive spelling? Here you are, trying to be all hippie and tolerant by using the "unique" spelling, to show your street-cred, and you end up insulting them. How ironic. You know absolutely nothing about the topic.

Too funny. How the word is spelled, in English, depends on the romanization being used -- this is apparently news to you, but "Moslem" is an Arabic word and has no "proper" English spelling.

If a particular spelling is offensive to someone, I suggest they get a life. How's that for hippie tolerance?

thepeel wrote:

Also, the muslims are eroding freedoms in Europe. Uh, the Three Little Pigs as "racist"? Do you think that is the last time something like that will happen? Do you know about the Swedish rape wave? Do you know about the increasing attacks on gays in Holland/UK? The massively increasing attacks on Jews?

To oppose creeping theocracy is not fascist, my little idiot friend. It is sanity. You'd better start reading up on the history of islam.

Never mind; your comments here make it abundantly clear that you have no interest in debate, but would rather make spittle-flecked, condescending pronouncements against the views you imagine your opponents hold. Have a nice day.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject:

On the other hand wrote:

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Because we all know gays, women, and blacks have ever asked for any sort of "tolerance" or "accommodation."

Apologies and fixed.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject:

thepeel wrote:

huffdaddy wrote:

thepeel wrote:

I take the side of gay rights, womens rights, civil rights, equality under the law and secular government.

Because we all know gays, women, and blacks have ever asked for any sort of "tolerance" or "accommodation." (links may be NSFW)

The codifying in law of individual rights regardless of race, class, sex, or tribe is quite a bit different than using the law to enforce your bronze age morality. I direct you to the European "dark ages" for reference.

Unfamiliar with NAMBLA and the Black Panthers?

chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: Islamic Riots

OTOH Always right click on a suspicious hyperlink, then click 'properties', to view the full website address.

seoulunitarian

Joined: 06 Jul 2004

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: re:

huffdaddy wrote:

thepeel wrote:

huffdaddy wrote:

thepeel wrote:

I take the side of gay rights, womens rights, civil rights, equality under the law and secular government.

Because we all know gays, women, and blacks have ever asked for any sort of "tolerance" or "accommodation." (links may be NSFW)

Unfamiliar with NAMBLA and the Black Panthers?

Associating NAMBLA with gays would be like associating any number of heterosexual pedophiliac groups with straight people. I'll let a black person speak for the association of the Black Panthers with the entire black population.

Peace

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: re:

seoulunitarian wrote:

Agreed. That was my point.

Don Gately

Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Iran Warns Netherlands Not to Air Controversial 'Anti-Mu

fiveeagles wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324406,00.html

Can you believe this *beep*? It's like we are living in 1930's.

I know. Religious people are fucking stupid. What a bunch of yahoos.

nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject:

I never knew uzbekistan was spelled with an 'o' . strange avatar.

dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject:

nicholas_chiasson wrote:

I never knew uzbekistan was spelled with an 'o' . strange avatar.

In the Uzbek, or should I say, Ozbek, language it is.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject:

huffdaddy wrote:

thepeel wrote:

huffdaddy wrote:

thepeel wrote:

I take the side of gay rights, womens rights, civil rights, equality under the law and secular government.

Because we all know gays, women, and blacks have ever asked for any sort of "tolerance" or "accommodation." (links may be NSFW)

Unfamiliar with NAMBLA and the Black Panthers?

So, you are comparing the struggle for maintained secularism (to the extent it even now exists) to NAMBLA? Really?

suneV

Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: At the Flop

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject:

thepeel wrote:

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Three Little Pigs 'too offensive'
By Sean Coughlan
BBC News, education

Pig from Shoofly
The judges said this depiction of a pig "raised cultural issues"
A story based on the Three Little Pigs has been turned down from a government agency's annual awards because the subject matter could offend Muslims.

The digital book, re-telling the classic fairy tale, was rejected by judges who warned that "the use of pigs raises cultural issues".

Becta, the government's educational technology agency, is a leading partner in the annual schools award.

The judges also attacked Three Little Cowboy Builders for offending builders.

The book's creative director, Anne Curtis, said that the idea that including pigs in a story could be interpreted as racism was "like a slap in the face".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7204635.stm

A children's story is now racist because muslims are scared of pigs.

I wish the leaders in my continent would wake the f%ck up. When the inclusion of images of farm animals in a kid's book causes more concern than Imams threatening the security of the continent it makes me wonder if the ball hasn't allready rolled too far...

Then I go through a 360 in thought. I think

'Come on suneV, can our leaders really be this blind and stupid...? Don't we have inteligence agencies working around the clock...? Maybe they know something is up and they want to keep the bad guys in plain view under our noses whilst luring them into a false sense of security in order to thwart them at the last moment, a sense of containment if you will...'

Then I realise that Muslims have fully integrated (on their own terms) into most European societies and are being given great libeties and are taking them too whilst getting away with public threats to the security of the nation and it's citizens, even way of life....

What the F%ck is going on?

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject:

suneV wrote:

What the F%ck is going on?

White. Guilt.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:59 am Post subject:

thepeel wrote:

So, you are comparing the struggle for maintained secularism (to the extent it even now exists) to NAMBLA? Really?

I suspect that if any Muslims were asking for pedophilia to be legalized, you'd have your panties in a major knot.

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:41 am Post subject:

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Agreed. That was my point.

How many homosexuals or mainstream homosexual pressure groups condone paedophilia?

I'm not sure, but I'm willing to bet it's not many.

How many Muslims (whom we are told the vast majority are 'moderate') support Shariah and condone terrorism, and how many 'moderate' Muslim pressure groups and leaders support and condone terrorism, or have links to fundamentalist Islamic groups.

As survey after survey has shown, rather a lot.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54018

Forty percent of Muslims between aged 16 to 24 said they would prefer to live under sharia law in the UK, compared to only 17 percent of those over 55. Thirty-six percent of the younger group said a Muslim who converted to another religion should be "punished by death," while only 19 percent of the older group agreed.

Thirteen percent of young Muslims surveyed said they "admired" organizations such as al-Qaida and others who were prepared to "fight the West."

Homosexuals pushing for the legalisation of gay marriage does not really affect my quality of life, or the free and open nature of my society. Muslims groups pushing for ever more 'protection' and 'understanding' of their wonderful religion does, demands that will only grow my ridiculous as their numbers increase does.

Clearly, nothing to worry about here.

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