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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: The 'war on terror' licenses a new stupidity in geopolitics |
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The 'war on terror' licenses a new stupidity in geopolitics
The language loved by Bush and Musharraf has translated into a global disaster bringing death and misery to millions
Nothing and nobody can stop bombs going off. No citizen, no police force, no army, no government and no global military alliance can prevent a determined suicide bomber from blowing himself up. It will happen and innocent people will die as a result, horribly, as they do on the roads, from drugs and alcohol, or from natural disasters - again without responsible authority being able to stop it.
What is recent is the admission of this truism into the mainstream of government under the rubric of "terrorism". This week two outgoing presidents, America's George Bush and Pakistan's Pervez Musharraf, defined their terms of office in relation to terror. Bush did so in his final state of the union message on Monday and Musharraf that same day in London during a charm offensive prior to next month's elections.
To Bush, the "war on terror" is the ruling mantra of his politics of fear. Since 9/11 gave a prop to his weakening presidency, his language has scaled new heights of alarmist rhetoric. It has validated every internal repression and every external war. "He who is not with us is against us," he cries. Terrorists everywhere are "opposing the advance of liberty ... evil men who despise freedom, despise America and aim to subject millions to their violent rule".
As the sociologist Ulrich Beck has written, "properly exploited, a novel risk is always an elixir to an ailing leader". By declaring a threat so awful as to be intolerable, a politician can limit the liberties of a free society in the name of risk-aversion. Musharraf utters hardly a sentence that does not contain the word terror. Pivotally close to the base from which 9/11 was apparently launched, his dictatorship has been indulged by London and Washington for a full seven years. This week Gordon Brown hailed him as a "key ally on terrorism", enabling him to take comfort in sacking his judiciary and curbing his media.
Had the war on terror been used only as a metaphor for better policing, like rhetorical "wars" on drugs, poverty and street crime, it might have passed muster. Bush and Musharraf have found the military metaphor too potent to resist and duly carried it into literal effect. The result has been a disaster for their countries, and incidentally for themselves.
The west's Afghan adventure is now devoid of coherent strategy. Soldiers are dying, the opium trade is booming and aid lies undistributed. Command and control of the war against the Taliban is slipping from the most bizarre western occupying force since the fourth Crusade to a tight cabal around the Afghan ruler, Hamid Karzai, who is fighting to retain a remnant of authority in his own capital.
Karzai's exasperation with the west has led him to refuse the services as "coordinator" of the former Liberal Democrat leader, Paddy Ashdown. The latter may have cut a dash in the subsidy swamp of Sarajevo, but in Afghanistan he would have been a boy on a man's errand. Karzai knows well that his fate lies not with the patronising platitudes of western proconsuls but in the hard graft of provincial warlords, drug gangsters and Taliban go-betweens.
These go-betweens have had their status massively boosted by the war on terror. Bush's demand in 2001 that Musharraf "join the war" sent Pakistani forces into the border territories, breaking old treaties and driving the Pashtun tribes into the eager arms of Taliban leaders. This undoubtedly saved Osama bin Laden's skin from the fury of the northern Tajiks, committed to avenge his murder of their leader, Ahmed Shah Massoud.
Musharraf, at America's bidding and with $10bn of American money, has done what even his craziest predecessors avoided, and recklessly set the Pashtun on the warpath - increasingly in thrall to a revived al-Qaida. The result is a plague of suicide bombings and killings in the heartland of his benighted state. From the law courts of America to the mosques of west London and the mountains of the Hindu Kush, the war on terror has been lethally and predictably counter-productive. It embodies the new stupidity in international affairs.
Nobody disputes that there are killer cells at large in the world, most of them proclaiming various Islamist creeds. It is the job of intelligence agencies and the police to catch as many as they can. After a hesitant start, they appear to be quite good at it. Some bombs will get through but they will not be deterred by draconian laws, any more than by machine gun-toting policemen in Downing Street and Heathrow. Robust societies can handle this admittedly intermittent threat. Only weak ones will capitulate to it.
The menace of these killers lies not in their firepower but in their capacity to distort the judgment and commitment to freedom of politicians too cowardly to bear on their shoulders the burden of risk. In two weeks' time, the fragile democracy of Pakistan will defy the bombers and hold an election prior, it is hoped, to some version of democratic rule. Such communities will defy a probable burst of terror bombs only if their leaders stop setting "terrorists" on a pedestal and using language that exaggerates their capacity, as Bush puts it, "to oppose the advance of freedom".
It is leaders, not bombers, who have the power to balk the advance of freedom. Already those leaders have used the war on terror to introduce the Patriot Act, Guant�namo Bay and a $1.5 trillion war in Iraq. In Pakistan they have used it as an excuse for emergency rule, the imprisonment of senior judges, and the provocation of unprecedented insurgency in the north-west frontier territories. In Britain leaders have used the war as an excuse for 42-day detention without trial, the world's most intrusive surveillance state, and not one but two contested military occupations of foreign soil.
This so-called war on terror has filled the pockets of those profiting from it. It has killed thousands, immiserated millions and infringed the liberty of hundreds of millions. The only rough justice it has delivered is to ruin the careers of those who propagated it. Tony Blair was driven to early resignation. Bush has been humiliated and Musharraf's wretched rule brought close to an overdue end. It may be an ill wind that blows no good, but it is hardly enough. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Blame Al Qaeda, and Ali Khamani not Bush and Musharif.
What this article is the the equivalent of blaming South Korea for the Korean war |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Blame Al Qaeda, and Ali Khamani not Bush and Musharif.
What this article is the the equivalent of blaming South Korea for the Korean war |
You didn't read the article. Probably not 1 word of it. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: |
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NEWSFLASH !!!
War IS terror ...
Vermont Anti-Bush Petition Sparks Anger
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer
BRATTLEBORO, Vt. - A town petition making President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney subject to
arrest for crimes against the Constitution has triggered a barrage of criticism from people who say residents are "wackjobs" and "nuts."
MORE ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_re_us/bush_warrant;_ylt=AjMqG.hJlBDabcqAdfLABRADW7oF |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Blame Al Qaeda, and Ali Khamani not Bush and Musharif.
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I disagree with this.
I will agree that Newton was right when he said every action produces an opposite and equal reaction, in politics (and everyday life) the 'type' of reaction is under the control of the actor. 9/11 required a response. The type of response and its level was up to Bush. He chose to over-react. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: |
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thepeel wrote: |
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Blame Al Qaeda, and Ali Khamani not Bush and Musharif.
What this article is the the equivalent of blaming South Korea for the Korean war |
You didn't read the article. Probably not 1 word of it. |
what ought the US do?
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ese go-betweens have had their status massively boosted by the war on terror. Bush's demand in 2001 that Musharraf "join the war" sent Pakistani forces into the border territories, breaking old treaties and driving the Pashtun tribes into the eager arms of Taliban leaders. This undoubtedly saved Osama bin Laden's skin from the fury of the northern Tajiks, committed to avenge his murder of their leader, Ahmed Shah Massoud. |
Sounds like if the US didn't get involved in the Korea war then the Korea people would have overthrown Kim Il Sung. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: |
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The American people, and people around are tired of the lies about "terrorism" and the "war on terror." Only a dwindling number of ignorant, buffudled sychophants and the deluded mentally ill still believe in the nonsense the neocons have fed America and the world.
The revolution is on. Bush and McCain are the leaders of the warmongers, and their days are numbered. McCain can never be president. This is why:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ee4XoVSMsJo |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Paul does Al Qaeda seek the Caliphate?
Mr. Paul why have you voted against every government bill on alternative energy? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
thepeel wrote: |
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Blame Al Qaeda, and Ali Khamani not Bush and Musharif.
What this article is the the equivalent of blaming South Korea for the Korean war |
You didn't read the article. Probably not 1 word of it. |
what ought the US do?
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Well, you and I have been through this. I think that terrorism is largely a police issue. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Mr. Paul does Al Qaeda seek the Caliphate?
Mr. Paul why have you voted against every government bill on alternative energy? |
1. No. Only stupid and deluded people believe that AQ seeks the Caliphate.
2. Government programs and subsidies always fail. There are no exceptions. Every real economist knows this. It is written in textbooks and taught at every university. Only greedy socialist business leaders who want to feed at the public trough, power hungry politicians, and uneducated buffoons believe that government subsidies in the energy field will have any positive effect. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Musharraf, at America's bidding and with $10bn of American money, has done what even his craziest predecessors avoided, and recklessly set the Pashtun on the warpath - increasingly in thrall to a revived al-Qaida. |
Something is wrong with an 'analyst' who believes that Bush has substantial control or direction over Musharraf.
There are some good criticisms of the American war on terror here, but the article does not acknowledge the genuine pickle that America is dealing with in Pakistan.
A lot of the money given to Musharraf has been done to secure nuclear weapons from Al Qaeda and as reciprocity for aid given to India. Remember, Pakistan and India were once rivals? That was before 9-11. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: |
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[quote="ontheway"]
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Mr. Paul does Al Qaeda seek the Caliphate?
Mr. Paul why have you voted against every government bill on alternative energy? |
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1. No. Only stupid and deluded people believe that AQ seeks the Caliphate. |
Really where do you get that information?
Show it . Put up or shut up.
This is global security
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al-Qa'ida (The Base)
Qa�idat al-Jihad
Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places
World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders
Islamic Salvation Foundation
Usama bin Laden Network
Al-Qa'ida is multi-national, with members from numerous countries and with a worldwide presence. Senior leaders in the organization are also senior leaders in other terrorist organizations, including those designated by the Department of State as foreign terrorist organizations, such as the Egyptian al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya and the Egyptian al-Jihad. Al-Qa'ida seeks a global radicalization of existing Islamic groups and the creation of radical Islamic groups where none exist.
Al-Qa'ida supports Muslim fighters in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Tajikistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Kosovo. It also trains members of terrorist organizations from such diverse countries as the Philippines, Algeria, and Eritrea.
Al-Qa'ida's goal is to "unite all Muslims and to establish a government which follows the rule of the Caliphs." Bin Laden has stated that the only way to establish the Caliphate is by force. Al-Qa'ida's goal, therefore, is to overthrow nearly all Muslim governments, which are viewed as corrupt, to drive Western influence from those countries, and eventually to abolish state boundaries.
Description
Established by Usama Bin Ladin in the late 1980s to bring together Arabs who fought in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. Helped finance, recruit, transport, and train Sunni Islamic extremists for the Afghan resistance. Current goal is to establish a pan-Islamic Caliphate throughout the world by working with allied Islamic extremist groups to overthrow regimes it deems �non-Islamic� and expelling Westerners and non-Muslims from Muslim countries�particularly Saudi Arabia. Issued statement under banner of �the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders� in February 1998, saying it was the duty of all Muslims to kill US citizens�civilian or military�and their allies everywhere. Merged with Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Al-Jihad) in June 2001. |
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ladin.htm
Only stupid and deluded people who are in denial (like Ron Paul supporters ) do not believe that AQ seeks the Caliphate
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Really
2. Government programs and subsidies always fail. There are no exceptions. Every real economist knows this. It is written in textbooks and taught at every university. Only greedy socialist business leaders who want to feed at the public trough, power hungry politicians, and uneducated buffoons believe that government subsidies in the energy field will have any positive effect. |
GPS
The Space program
Medical research. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Scandinavian Airline Passengers Asked to Submit Fingerprints
2008 01 30
From: thelocal.se
Passengers on many SAS flights from Stockholm and Gothenburg will in future be asked to give their fingerprints when checking in bags.
The new technology will be used on half of the Scandinavian airline's domestic flights in Sweden. The airline says using fingerprint sensors will improve security.
Under the new system, passengers will be asked to run their index finger over a reader when they check in luggage. They will then be asked to give another fingerprint when they board the plane.
The fingerprints will be used to ensure that passengers who check in bags also board the plane.
Airlines are obliged by law to match passengers with bags, a measure intended to make it harder to sabotage an aircraft. This requirement is currently enforced by asking passengers to show ID before boarding. SAS says passengers will still be able to refuse to give their fingerprints, but insist that the fingerprint technology is secure and easier than other methods.
"Using fingerprints as identification will make our customers' journeys easier. It is entirely voluntary, as ordinary identification documents will still be an alternative. Personal integrity is protected, as the information about the fingerprint is erased after the flight," said Susanne Dahlberg of SAS Sverige.
SAS Sverige has previously introduced the system at regional airports around the country. There are now of course plans to use the system for international flights.
Article from: http://www.thelocal.se/9807/20080129/
Related: Beer fingerprints to go UK-wide
Police may be given power to take DNA samples in the street
Scientist Calls For World DNA Database
The sinister truth about what they do with our children's fingerprints |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Mr. Paul does Al Qaeda seek the Caliphate?
Mr. Paul why have you voted against every government bill on alternative energy?
ontheway wrote: |
1. No. Only stupid and deluded people believe that AQ seeks the Caliphate. |
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Only stupid and deluded people who are in denial (like Ron Paul supporters ) do not believe that AQ seeks the Caliphate
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Only retarded, fascist, neo-con apologist, monomaniacal knee-JERK Ron Paul-bashers believe Al-Qaeda attacked us because of our freedoms and prosperity. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Mr. Paul does Al Qaeda seek the Caliphate?
Mr. Paul why have you voted against every government bill on alternative energy?
ontheway wrote: |
1. No. Only stupid and deluded people believe that AQ seeks the Caliphate. |
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Only stupid and deluded people who are in denial (like Ron Paul supporters ) do not believe that AQ seeks the Caliphate
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Only retarded, fascist, neo-con apologist, monomaniacal knee-JERK Ron Paul-bashers believe Al-Qaeda attacked us because of our freedoms and prosperity. |
Al Qaeda didn't attack the US cause of its freedoms - so there you go.
Al Qaeda attacked the US cause they want to expel the US from the mideast so Al Qaeda can conquer it but Al Qaeda's aims don't end there.
Al Qaeda fights for Caliphate , and since you don't realize that you are either stupid or in denial.
Al Qaeda won't stop attacking the US until they get the Caliphate or are destroyed.
Speaking of fascists You are also an apologist for Igothisguitar. Igothisguitar is a a bigot.
Then again you don't think Al Qaeda attacked the US at all.  |
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